Can states actually outlaw traveling out of state for an abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

What is to stop dems, next time they get power, to do the same for purchasing guns?

I don't know that democrats have been supporting checks at state borders for guns? But even if they did, **people** could still travel back and forth between states, just not the guns. Just as right now, you aren't allowed to bring pot from a state where it is legal into a state where it isn't legal.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor’s daughter plays travel soccer in Virginia. Would she and her teammates have to get the pregnancy test/travel permit every time they have a tournament in Maryland?

The logistics aren't really the salient issue here.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about all of the cars that cross over from Virginia to Maryland on the beltway during the morning and evening rush hour commutes. Probably hundreds of cars *per minute*. Would Virginia really force an epic logjam on the beltway so that every single female traveler could undergo a pregnancy test? The logistics of this is mind-boggling to me.

To repeat. You need to read up on the Texas bounty law. The enforcement will happen through people reporting women to the authorities. No need for a logjam. Just better hope no one is out to get you.

Loose lips sink ships. Kind of like that.

Why the hell would anyone choose to live in a red state under these conditions?

What’s great about our country is that you can choose to live in a Blue state and others can choose to live in a Red state. If you don’t like where you live, you can move.

The vast majority of poor people can't afford to move. Which is why rich republicans in red states are super happy right now.

Interesting. I’m what you’d call a “Rich Republican” in a red state and I’m not “super happy right now” because majority of poor people can’t afford to move. Can you provide a source for your claim that “rich republicans in red states are super happy right now” because “vast majority of poor people can’t afford to move?”

Are you happy that women in red states won’t be able to obtain abortions?

Do you understand that having unplanned children, having more children than you can afford, or having children at a younger age than you planned will lower earning potential for women, and make the poverty cycle continue?

If you answered yes to both question, then you get what the other PP was talking about. If you answered no to question 2, educate yourself.

Where is this sudden surge in sympathy for the poor in red states coming from? They are regularly mocked on this forum, and now y'all suddenly care about their lives and outcomes? Midterms, I guess.

I don't mock them. But, if I'm being honest, I honestly don't have sympathy for them, either. They are getting what they voted for. It's just sad that they are dragging down everyone else with them.

They aren't changing anything in blue states. In fact, this has had the effect of expanding abortion in blue states. So both sides are going to get what they want, and if both sides can respect the differences and not interfere, this will not become a major issue.

What makes you think both sides can respect differences and not interfere? The extremists on the right are going for a national ban. They may not achieve it if people wake up, but they're definitely not going to sit by and let blue states be blue states.

This is what all the DCUM Republicans refuse to acknowledge.

This. If it would stop at ted states, there would not be as much alarm. We know it will not stop until they make all states bow to their gun availability laws and abortion restriction laws. Authoritarians don't like states or people who do their own thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

Does this law also apply to flying out of Red state airports? For example, a woman flies to Orlando to go to Disney World with her family. Would she need to take a pregnancy test, obtain a travel permit, etc. before flying back home to Maryland?

Sure, why not?

If Florida is a "personhood begins at fertilization" state, and the egg was fertilized in Florida, then there would now be a little baby embryo-person in that woman's uterus, so she could not leave the state except to go to another state that would not make killing that person legal.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

What is to stop dems, next time they get power, to do the same for purchasing guns?

Um, the Constitution, which has been interpreted to protect the right to purchase guns.

Last month, the constitution was interpreted to protect abortions. See how that works? We can do it too.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about all of the cars that cross over from Virginia to Maryland on the beltway during the morning and evening rush hour commutes. Probably hundreds of cars *per minute*. Would Virginia really force an epic logjam on the beltway so that every single female traveler could undergo a pregnancy test? The logistics of this is mind-boggling to me.

The logistics are easy to solve. If a woman who can get pregnant wishes to travel out of the no-abortion state into a state where abortion is legal, she needs a special travel permit stating she is not pregnant.

The permit is updated once monthly at the appropriate time, by stopping into any Minute Clinic or Rite aid and getting a test.. That's where her travel permit is stamped. A positive pregnancy test means her travel permit is confiscated.

Highways and streets into abortion states are patrolled randomly (like HOV lanes) and women can be pulled over and asked for their out of state travel permit. The punishment for being caught without a "I'm not pregnant" travel permit into a non-abortion state is severe enough to be a disincentive.

The fact that some conservative has thought enough about this to write it up is disturbing. Yet, here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about all of the cars that cross over from Virginia to Maryland on the beltway during the morning and evening rush hour commutes. Probably hundreds of cars *per minute*. Would Virginia really force an epic logjam on the beltway so that every single female traveler could undergo a pregnancy test? The logistics of this is mind-boggling to me.

The logistics are easy to solve. If a woman who can get pregnant wishes to travel out of the no-abortion state into a state where abortion is legal, she needs a special travel permit stating she is not pregnant.

The permit is updated once monthly at the appropriate time, by stopping into any Minute Clinic or Rite aid and getting a test.. That's where her travel permit is stamped. A positive pregnancy test means her travel permit is confiscated.

Highways and streets into abortion states are patrolled randomly (like HOV lanes) and women can be pulled over and asked for their out of state travel permit. The punishment for being caught without a "I'm not pregnant" travel permit into a non-abortion state is severe enough to be a disincentive.

I'm not saying this can't happen...but do you think that if Republicans tried to pass this, it would be popular among the white suburban women who would have to undergo this? Republicans aren't really known for pumping government money into things, so I assume they'd hire a private company and make women pay for this travel privilege. Right? Otherwise they'd want to spend government funds on this? They want to run on kitchen table issues...how would this be popular for millions of families who need to go over state lines daily or monthly for jobs, dr. appointments, errands, family visits, etc.? This would be a lot of money. I don't picture a private company doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Rite Aid would love the foot traffic. But how would people really feel about this?

Again, not saying this couldn't happen, but to the people who feel helpless, wouldn't people have backlash against this? Just to go further, to keep the white voters would they find a way to exempt white women from this? I mean there is no bottom so tossing that out there.

Jesus. This "law" is ridiculous and unconstitutional and would be struck down by at least 8 of current SCOTUS members if it even got that far. In fact, its passage would be a huge gift to the pro-choice movement because it would, if anything, undermine Dobbs.

It’s cute that you think 5 of the forced birther justices have any principles whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about all of the cars that cross over from Virginia to Maryland on the beltway during the morning and evening rush hour commutes. Probably hundreds of cars *per minute*. Would Virginia really force an epic logjam on the beltway so that every single female traveler could undergo a pregnancy test? The logistics of this is mind-boggling to me.

The logistics are easy to solve. If a woman who can get pregnant wishes to travel out of the no-abortion state into a state where abortion is legal, she needs a special travel permit stating she is not pregnant.

The permit is updated once monthly at the appropriate time, by stopping into any Minute Clinic or Rite aid and getting a test.. That's where her travel permit is stamped. A positive pregnancy test means her travel permit is confiscated.

Highways and streets into abortion states are patrolled randomly (like HOV lanes) and women can be pulled over and asked for their out of state travel permit. The punishment for being caught without a "I'm not pregnant" travel permit into a non-abortion state is severe enough to be a disincentive.

I'm not saying this can't happen...but do you think that if Republicans tried to pass this, it would be popular among the white suburban women who would have to undergo this? Republicans aren't really known for pumping government money into things, so I assume they'd hire a private company and make women pay for this travel privilege. Right? Otherwise they'd want to spend government funds on this? They want to run on kitchen table issues....how would this be popular for millions of families who need to go over state lines daily or monthly for jobs, dr. appointments, errands, family visits, etc.? This would be a lot of money. I don't picture a private company doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Rite Aid would love the foot traffic. But how would people really feel about this?

Again, not saying this couldn't happen, but to the people who feel helpless, wouldn't people have backlash against this? Just to go further, to keep the white voters would they find a way to exempt white women from this? I mean there is no bottom so tossing that out there.

I don't think it would be politically popular, but I'm not sure anymore. And if embryo=personhood, in my opinion a case could be made that it could be illegal to remove that embryo to a place where you could kill it. ESPECIALLY if you have told someone, anyone, that it was your intent to kill that embryo who is considered a person by the state.

The fact that this type of law could be ruled constitutional, scares me greatly. If the only reason it couldn't pass is that it might be politically unpopular? Very scary to me.

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This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh yes the right will stop free travel between the states because they can. There will be check points and demands for papers at the border of the red states. SCOTUS will rubber stamp this.

Does this law also apply to flying out of Red state airports? For example, a woman flies to Orlando to go to Disney World with her family. Would she need to take a pregnancy test, obtain a travel permit, etc. before flying back home to Maryland?

Sure, why not?

If Florida is a "personhood begins at fertilization" state, and the egg was fertilized in Florida, then there would now be a little baby embryo-person in that woman's uterus, so she could not leave the state except to go to another state that would not make killing that person legal.

Yep. If the state decides the embryo is a person, and the woman is going to endanger it, they can arrest the woman.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree. I’m beginning to think this thread is really a couple right wing trolls trying to have some fun whipping up terror in the “libs” - while moving the Overton window in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

I totally agree. I’m beginning to think this thread is really a couple right wing trolls trying to have some fun whipping up terror in the “libs” - while moving the Overton window in the process.

It's not fanciful. It's actually on the table: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/opinion/abortion-rights-travel.html

Do I think women will have to take pregnancy tests at the border? No. But Red states are going to try to keep women from traveling for abortions, any way they feasibly can. In some cases, this will result in the detention of a woman and a pregnancy test; or a criminal proceeding forbidding her from leaving the state for the duration of the pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

Some previous posters on this thread have mentioned ankle bracelet monitoring of pregnant people. How will that work?

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Anonymous wrote:This is fanciful. Women arent going to have to validate pregnancy status to travel. The fact that THIS is where the left is focused shows exactly why they wont be able to get a leg up-- everyone is focused on licing out dystopian novel fantasies. I didnt think, at first, that Rs would ve able to pull off a nationwide ban, but now Im pretty sure they can since their opposition is all way down the rabbit hole.

Oh, that's a neat trick.

Us: Republicans are going to ban abortion federally!
You: You're being hysterial. Your hysteria is going make them pull off a federal ban!

BTW - the likely scenario is not pregnancy tests at the state border. It's providers only providing services to people who can show they are from that state (already happening) because they fear being sued (Texas bounty law) or other law enforcement by the other state. And, it's an angry father/in-law/pro-lifer getting a TRO or arrest warrant for a woman who they know is pregnant and wants to leave the state.

Some previous posters on this thread have mentioned ankle bracelet monitoring of pregnant people. How will that work?

It's really not difficult to project.

Woman gets pregnant. Busy body (or abusive partner) suspects she is going to leave the state for an abortion. Maybe she even attempts to get pills mailed to her. Police report filed. Woman charged with attempt to procure abortion. Woman sentenced to probation w/monitoring for duration of pregnancy.