Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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There were no police in the building … the cops were trying to negotiate with him for an hour.

I'm trying to understand the logistics here. How were they negotiating with him? Yelling from outside the building to inside the building? Did they have phone communication with him?

An hour this went on. Do you know how many kids he killed in under 10 minutes?. They needed to get in there and take him out and if they didn't have the balls to do it they should have at least let the parents in to do their jobs

Did he go classroom to classroom or stay in one classroom?

1 classroom. All 19 kids and 2 teachers were from the same class.

It was two adjoining classrooms with a door between. Per a clip of a surviving child recounting the experience.

So many security breaches.

It's a school with 600 kids in east Texas. I can't imagine they have a lot of money for robust security.

You don’t need a lot of money to deter. A lot can be done cheaply. The goal is to slow someone down or make them change their mind because it’s too hard. Do you know how many thieves go to the next house if there’s a sign that says ‘beware of dog’ and a water dish outside? Or how many thieves simply try the door or window and choose an unlocked home?

You don’t need a lot of money to ban AR-15s.

So ban them. Then you’ll have to ban hand guns and other guns. Then there’s home made bombs, arson, machetes, etc.

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Absolutely despicable.

So you actually think they should have let her go in?

Ideally, the police keep the public out and then go into the building and deal with the shooter, that's current thinking on what to do in these situations. That's not DCUM experts, that's police experts. T his is easily Googleable, but here's a couple sources (https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2021-07/ActiveShooter2018-UpdatedFormat%2007.16.2021_0.pdf, https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/10-18_ActiveShooter.pdf, https://mcp.maryland.gov/Directive%20Manual/13-100.pdf).

In the absence of police doing what they should do, then yes, parents should go in and try. As a father, my duty is to keep my child safe. If my kid is in a building where someone is shooting kids and no one better trained or equipped than I am is able or willing to help, then I go in and do what I can. Same as a burning building. That's the job when you're a parent, even if it might get you killed.

Do we know that there was no law enforcement inside the building as these officers were keeping parents out? Serious question. I'm not trying to stir things up, I just haven't heard anything clear on that point.

Anyone? This whole part of the incident turns on that question. If some cops are outside, keeping civilians out while other cops are on the inside; it's a *completely* different scenario than if cops are outside keeping civilians out while nobody is even trying to do anything about the shooter.

Well, so far we have DPS giving conflicting reports about the resource officer (being there, engaging with the shooter, and their agency interviewing the resource officer) hours apart today. I think it's safe to say they're disorganized and don't yet know what's true themselves at best, a pack of cowardly liars trying to cover their behinds at worst. So I'd take anything they say about where officers were with a grain of salt. At the press conference today, the DPS said he wrecked his truck, then spent 12 minutes shooting at people near the school and the building (as I understood him) and getting into the school, but not interacting with police because there were none present. Four minutes after getting inside the school, police arrived and went in, they shot at each other, police were wounded and retreated. They set up a perimeter, threatened and restrained parents to prevent them from going in, did some strategery, and CBP went in after approximately 40-60 minutes and killed the shooter.

People there reported that some police went in, seemingly acting as individuals rather than with the department, to save the kids important to them and not near the shooter. One of the restrained parents seems to have made it in and saved her child. An interview with someone in the state police (I think) seemed to confirm that random officers went inside to remove select children.

The press conference didn't provide much info, didn't give a timeline, didn't say why the police waited so long to go in, and conflicted with other official statements previously given. He did say the authorities tried to negotiate with the gunman. Not sure what that means, and he didn't explain what he means by "negotiate."

Basically, it's a clusterf**k. Incompetence mixed with deceit and cowboy wannabes trying to hold onto power and not have everyone hate them. Between the lies and misunderstandings, it's going to be hard to sort this out.

Actually, this makes sense based on witnesses (that he spent 12 minutes shooting at people), that officers engaged, were injured, then set up a perimeter to control the situation. The kid had been posting all over social media engaging with strangers so negotiating means just that - that the gunman was communicating with police. The media is always quick to want to post first, so it also makes sense that some details were incorrect.

This is all very tragic. So was the Vegas shooting and I don’t hear much about that anymore.

You think it makes sense? I don’t. I’m from a small town. If someone shot their grandma then shot at the people working at the funeral home across from the elementary school I went to, the school would’ve been put on lockdown and im pretty sure the cops would’ve been there sooner. But that’s speculation.

They already had someone call and report the grandma being shot, and the wreck, and the shooting outside an elementary school, and it still took cops 14 minutes after the accident to get to the school. Then they retreated and set up a perimeter when the protocol is to go in and take out the shooter and that change was made after columbine, not recently. They didn’t do that. If the reports of random cops going in and saving their own children instead of doing their job, that’s inexcusable, not understandable.

Also, the media is reporting what eyewitnesses and officials are saying. It was a DPS official who said there was a resource officer on site engaging with the shooter as he went into the school, and his department had interviewed the officer. The DPS official doing the conference said there was no such person there. That’s not a media issue. It’s incompetence or lies. It’s a hot mess.

The reporting is a hot mess as well.

Having personally known someone involved in a national media story where the reporting was 90% in correct and this was before social media citizen reporters. I never trust the media in the moment of a national story.

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Absolutely despicable.

So you actually think they should have let her go in?

Ideally, the police keep the public out and then go into the building and deal with the shooter, that's current thinking on what to do in these situations. That's not DCUM experts, that's police experts. T his is easily Googleable, but here's a couple sources (https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2021-07/ActiveShooter2018-UpdatedFormat%2007.16.2021_0.pdf, https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/10-18_ActiveShooter.pdf, https://mcp.maryland.gov/Directive%20Manual/13-100.pdf).

In the absence of police doing what they should do, then yes, parents should go in and try. As a father, my duty is to keep my child safe. If my kid is in a building where someone is shooting kids and no one better trained or equipped than I am is able or willing to help, then I go in and do what I can. Same as a burning building. That's the job when you're a parent, even if it might get you killed.

Do we know that there was no law enforcement inside the building as these officers were keeping parents out? Serious question. I'm not trying to stir things up, I just haven't heard anything clear on that point.

Anyone? This whole part of the incident turns on that question. If some cops are outside, keeping civilians out while other cops are on the inside; it's a *completely* different scenario than if cops are outside keeping civilians out while nobody is even trying to do anything about the shooter.

Well, so far we have DPS giving conflicting reports about the resource officer (being there, engaging with the shooter, and their agency interviewing the resource officer) hours apart today. I think it's safe to say they're disorganized and don't yet know what's true themselves at best, a pack of cowardly liars trying to cover their behinds at worst. So I'd take anything they say about where officers were with a grain of salt. At the press conference today, the DPS said he wrecked his truck, then spent 12 minutes shooting at people near the school and the building (as I understood him) and getting into the school, but not interacting with police because there were none present. Four minutes after getting inside the school, police arrived and went in, they shot at each other, police were wounded and retreated. They set up a perimeter, threatened and restrained parents to prevent them from going in, did some strategery, and CBP went in after approximately 40-60 minutes and killed the shooter.

People there reported that some police went in, seemingly acting as individuals rather than with the department, to save the kids important to them and not near the shooter. One of the restrained parents seems to have made it in and saved her child. An interview with someone in the state police (I think) seemed to confirm that random officers went inside to remove select children.

The press conference didn't provide much info, didn't give a timeline, didn't say why the police waited so long to go in, and conflicted with other official statements previously given. He did say the authorities tried to negotiate with the gunman. Not sure what that means, and he didn't explain what he means by "negotiate."

Basically, it's a clusterf**k. Incompetence mixed with deceit and cowboy wannabes trying to hold onto power and not have everyone hate them. Between the lies and misunderstandings, it's going to be hard to sort this out.

Actually, this makes sense based on witnesses (that he spent 12 minutes shooting at people), that officers engaged, were injured, then set up a perimeter to control the situation. The kid had been posting all over social media engaging with strangers so negotiating means just that - that the gunman was communicating with police. The media is always quick to want to post first, so it also makes sense that some details were incorrect.

This is all very tragic. So was the Vegas shooting and I don’t hear much about that anymore.

The social media posts turned out to be another lie. He DM'd a stranger vaguely and DM'd someone else after he shot his grandmother.

So they aren’t a lie. He DMed and posted photos of himself with weapons on FB and/or Insta

He posted a single photo on insta when he bought the weapons. Nothing else. Hundreds of republican politicians do that all the time.

The point regarding a DM is that it is not public and it was once he started.

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Absolutely despicable.

So you actually think they should have let her go in?

Ideally, the police keep the public out and then go into the building and deal with the shooter, that's current thinking on what to do in these situations. That's not DCUM experts, that's police experts. T his is easily Googleable, but here's a couple sources (https://www.theiacp.org/sites/default/files/2021-07/ActiveShooter2018-UpdatedFormat%2007.16.2021_0.pdf, https://www.baltimorecityschools.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/10-18_ActiveShooter.pdf, https://mcp.maryland.gov/Directive%20Manual/13-100.pdf).

In the absence of police doing what they should do, then yes, parents should go in and try. As a father, my duty is to keep my child safe. If my kid is in a building where someone is shooting kids and no one better trained or equipped than I am is able or willing to help, then I go in and do what I can. Same as a burning building. That's the job when you're a parent, even if it might get you killed.

Do we know that there was no law enforcement inside the building as these officers were keeping parents out? Serious question. I'm not trying to stir things up, I just haven't heard anything clear on that point.

Anyone? This whole part of the incident turns on that question. If some cops are outside, keeping civilians out while other cops are on the inside; it's a *completely* different scenario than if cops are outside keeping civilians out while nobody is even trying to do anything about the shooter.

Well, so far we have DPS giving conflicting reports about the resource officer (being there, engaging with the shooter, and their agency interviewing the resource officer) hours apart today. I think it's safe to say they're disorganized and don't yet know what's true themselves at best, a pack of cowardly liars trying to cover their behinds at worst. So I'd take anything they say about where officers were with a grain of salt. At the press conference today, the DPS said he wrecked his truck, then spent 12 minutes shooting at people near the school and the building (as I understood him) and getting into the school, but not interacting with police because there were none present. Four minutes after getting inside the school, police arrived and went in, they shot at each other, police were wounded and retreated. They set up a perimeter, threatened and restrained parents to prevent them from going in, did some strategery, and CBP went in after approximately 40-60 minutes and killed the shooter.

People there reported that some police went in, seemingly acting as individuals rather than with the department, to save the kids important to them and not near the shooter. One of the restrained parents seems to have made it in and saved her child. An interview with someone in the state police (I think) seemed to confirm that random officers went inside to remove select children.

The press conference didn't provide much info, didn't give a timeline, didn't say why the police waited so long to go in, and conflicted with other official statements previously given. He did say the authorities tried to negotiate with the gunman. Not sure what that means, and he didn't explain what he means by "negotiate."

Basically, it's a clusterf**k. Incompetence mixed with deceit and cowboy wannabes trying to hold onto power and not have everyone hate them. Between the lies and misunderstandings, it's going to be hard to sort this out.

Actually, this makes sense based on witnesses (that he spent 12 minutes shooting at people), that officers engaged, were injured, then set up a perimeter to control the situation. The kid had been posting all over social media engaging with strangers so negotiating means just that - that the gunman was communicating with police. The media is always quick to want to post first, so it also makes sense that some details were incorrect.

This is all very tragic. So was the Vegas shooting and I don’t hear much about that anymore.

You think it makes sense? I don’t. I’m from a small town. If someone shot their grandma then shot at the people working at the funeral home across from the elementary school I went to, the school would’ve been put on lockdown and im pretty sure the cops would’ve been there sooner. But that’s speculation.

They already had someone call and report the grandma being shot, and the wreck, and the shooting outside an elementary school, and it still took cops 14 minutes after the accident to get to the school. Then they retreated and set up a perimeter when the protocol is to go in and take out the shooter and that change was made after columbine, not recently. They didn’t do that. If the reports of random cops going in and saving their own children instead of doing their job, that’s inexcusable, not understandable.

Also, the media is reporting what eyewitnesses and officials are saying. It was a DPS official who said there was a resource officer on site engaging with the shooter as he went into the school, and his department had interviewed the officer. The DPS official doing the conference said there was no such person there. That’s not a media issue. It’s incompetence or lies. It’s a hot mess.

The reporting is a hot mess as well.

Having personally known someone involved in a national media story where the reporting was 90% in correct and this was before social media citizen reporters. I never trust the media in the moment of a national story.

Well that’s great but it is the police and government of Texas who keep changing their stories. They have no credibility.

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There were no police in the building … the cops were trying to negotiate with him for an hour.

I'm trying to understand the logistics here. How were they negotiating with him? Yelling from outside the building to inside the building? Did they have phone communication with him?

An hour this went on. Do you know how many kids he killed in under 10 minutes?. They needed to get in there and take him out and if they didn't have the balls to do it they should have at least let the parents in to do their jobs

Did he go classroom to classroom or stay in one classroom?

1 classroom. All 19 kids and 2 teachers were from the same class.

It was two adjoining classrooms with a door between. Per a clip of a surviving child recounting the experience.

So many security breaches.

Yep, totally the fault of those teachers and students in school

As Gilliam said, 90% of the schools who hired him to consult did not implement any of his recommendations, citing it would make the kids feel scared, like a prison, etc. So they planted gardens, etc. instead. The only person at fault is the gunman. We can’t keep pretending there is no evil or crazy. This kid screamed it from the rooftops for years and was still dismissed. He decided to get attention in the worst possible way.

Because teaching kids in small prisons is not developmentally appropriate. Republicans just want a privatize schools like they did prisons and we see how all that's working out

Dead kids can’t learn either. Do you lock your own doors and windows? Why or why not? Do you have a fence around your property? Why or why not?

The people who are urging us to barricade all of the schools to stop a few shootings overlap quite a bit with the people who fought masks and vaccinations because we can't live in fear and have to live our lives. I'm getting whiplash.

Right??? If I had to choose, I'd rather have my kids wear masks to prevent illness than to have them needing to go through prison-style security every day with regular lock down drills.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s some kind of coverup. It took forever for news of this shooting to get out.

Police spend a decent part of their budget on PR or Copaganda.

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This event isn’t about guns any more than the Civil War was about slavery.

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I’ve seen way more hate for cops here than for the shooter. Reminds me of the Bernie Bros & BLM types who spend more time hating on Democrats than on Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen way more hate for cops here than for the shooter. Reminds me of the Bernie Bros & BLM types who spend more time hating on Democrats than on Republicans.

Stop it. If these weapons are legal for that murderous gunman than law enforcement must be able to take them on. Otherwise get rid of these ridiculous weapons.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. The Uvalde shooter made it by three armed officers. Then cops barricaded the killer in with a room full of children in a tactical stack. The cops sat safely outside as the killer shot each child? Protect and serve WHO?

Have you ever heard of the fog of war?

Doubtful the cops knew exactly what was happening as the situation was unfolding in real time. It's so easy to sit there behind a computer screen with 20/20 hindsight.

Keep spinning the BS. They train on this in these schools all the time. There was one guy with a gun killing 2nd and 3rd graders. Unarmed teachers were laying their bodies down to buy time. If the cops had rushed in the killer would have to try to kill the cops instead on ten children.

Back the Blue! Thin Blue Line! So Heroic!

Do we think a lawsuit will come from the victim's families?

Oh gd yes. They are getting sued to the hilt and they are going to pay out.

Getting paid with their own tax payer money.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. The Uvalde shooter made it by three armed officers. Then cops barricaded the killer in with a room full of children in a tactical stack. The cops sat safely outside as the killer shot each child? Protect and serve WHO?

Have you ever heard of the fog of war?

Doubtful the cops knew exactly what was happening as the situation was unfolding in real time. It's so easy to sit there behind a computer screen with 20/20 hindsight.

Keep spinning the BS. They train on this in these schools all the time. There was one guy with a gun killing 2nd and 3rd graders. Unarmed teachers were laying their bodies down to buy time. If the cops had rushed in the killer would have to try to kill the cops instead on ten children.

Do you know who knew what was going on those poor little kids and teachers?.
And the men and women who are paid to protect them failed them dearly. That includes the cops, the mayor and the governor.
If cops don't want to engage in AR-15, you don't think that should be illegal to have one

Cops didn’t want Texas open carry law but they still vote GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight. The Uvalde shooter made it by three armed officers. Then cops barricaded the killer in with a room full of children in a tactical stack. The cops sat safely outside as the killer shot each child? Protect and serve WHO?

Have you ever heard of the fog of war?

Doubtful the cops knew exactly what was happening as the situation was unfolding in real time. It's so easy to sit there behind a computer screen with 20/20 hindsight.

Keep spinning the BS. They train on this in these schools all the time. There was one guy with a gun killing 2nd and 3rd graders. Unarmed teachers were laying their bodies down to buy time. If the cops had rushed in the killer would have to try to kill the cops instead on ten children.

Do you know who knew what was going on those poor little kids and teachers?.
And the men and women who are paid to protect them failed them dearly. That includes the cops, the mayor and the governor.
If cops don't want to engage in AR-15, you don't think that should be illegal to have one

Cops didn’t want Texas open carry law but they still vote GOP.

Then they wanted open carry. What are they stupid. If you want certain laws, vote for the representation that will write those laws. Duh.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen way more hate for cops here than for the shooter. Reminds me of the Bernie Bros & BLM types who spend more time hating on Democrats than on Republicans.

Everybody hates the shooter, troll. The cops let kids bleed out and die instead of doing the one job we need them to do.

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There were no police in the building … the cops were trying to negotiate with him for an hour.

I'm trying to understand the logistics here. How were they negotiating with him? Yelling from outside the building to inside the building? Did they have phone communication with him?

An hour this went on. Do you know how many kids he killed in under 10 minutes?. They needed to get in there and take him out and if they didn't have the balls to do it they should have at least let the parents in to do their jobs

Did he go classroom to classroom or stay in one classroom?

1 classroom. All 19 kids and 2 teachers were from the same class.

It was two adjoining classrooms with a door between. Per a clip of a surviving child recounting the experience.

So many security breaches.

It's a school with 600 kids in east Texas. I can't imagine they have a lot of money for robust security.

You don’t need a lot of money to deter. A lot can be done cheaply. The goal is to slow someone down or make them change their mind because it’s too hard. Do you know how many thieves go to the next house if there’s a sign that says ‘beware of dog’ and a water dish outside? Or how many thieves simply try the door or window and choose an unlocked home?

You don’t need a lot of money to ban AR-15s.

So ban them. Then you’ll have to ban hand guns and other guns. Then there’s home made bombs, arson, machetes, etc.

Another brave voice representing the Pro-Mass Shooting Community. Welcome, patriot!

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