I’m starting my late July birthday child (boy) in kindergarten on time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you're questioning your decision if you're posting here. Why are you not confident?

She asked what is she not seeing. Why are people surprised her son is starting on time. I don’t read a lack of confidence.

No. She’s providing a counterpoint to the umpteen posts made on DCUM justifying and rejustifying redshirting their kids.

It is the anti-redshirters who post incessantly on DCUM. Idk why. But they are endless. (Did not redshirt.)

Nope. It’s both.

(did not redshirt either)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lady, how many really old posts from this thread in a row are you going to respond to at once? Give it a break, crazy anti redshirter. We see you updating every 30 seconds.

I see you’re here too. Maybe take your own advice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread should just end because the people who dont understand never will and the people who do understand are labeled "anti red shirters."

If you need to hold back your child, they need to be seen by a developmental ped, get evaluated and into services.

+1

It's cute you two think you make the rules. Carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this today. My May son who is 6 was playing a rec baseball game. There is a child in his grade also born in May but the year before. The child was not redshirted for any developmental reasons- the parents just wanted him to be the oldest. So everyone is singing his praises at the first rec baseball game tonight- wow look at him! Hes the best on the team! I wonder how many of them realize he was supposed to be in 2nd grade, not first. He also was complaining that he wanted to do kid pitch and not coach pitch. My 6 yr old NEEDS coach pitch to learn how to bat. This child doesnt need it anymore because he is approaching 8. Maybe if he was in the grade he was supposed to be in, then hed be doing the kid pitch he is ready to be doing and not taking a spot from kids who are in the right grade. Ive seen this time and time again since I have multiple boys and its extremely annoying because its clear these kids were held back to be on top and to be better than everyone else at everything!

Who cares? When the kids start playing real baseball, Little League or Pony it's by age. A birth certificate is required. Calm down, it's rec baseball which means nothing.

No, not where I live. Only travel soccer is by birth year. Little league and all other sports are by grade, including high school sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lady, how many really old posts from this thread in a row are you going to respond to at once? Give it a break, crazy anti redshirter. We see you updating every 30 seconds.

I see you’re here too. Maybe take your own advice.

I’m not rapid-fire responding to old posts over and over again like you are. So I don’t need to take my own advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this today. My May son who is 6 was playing a rec baseball game. There is a child in his grade also born in May but the year before. The child was not redshirted for any developmental reasons- the parents just wanted him to be the oldest. So everyone is singing his praises at the first rec baseball game tonight- wow look at him! Hes the best on the team! I wonder how many of them realize he was supposed to be in 2nd grade, not first. He also was complaining that he wanted to do kid pitch and not coach pitch. My 6 yr old NEEDS coach pitch to learn how to bat. This child doesnt need it anymore because he is approaching 8. Maybe if he was in the grade he was supposed to be in, then hed be doing the kid pitch he is ready to be doing and not taking a spot from kids who are in the right grade. Ive seen this time and time again since I have multiple boys and its extremely annoying because its clear these kids were held back to be on top and to be better than everyone else at everything!

Who cares? When the kids start playing real baseball, Little League or Pony it's by age. A birth certificate is required. Calm down, it's rec baseball which means nothing.

No, not where I live. Only travel soccer is by birth year. Little league and all other sports are by grade, including high school sports.

Then you must play low level non competitive baseball. I have to produce birth certificates so kids can play in tournaments.

https://www.littleleague.org/help-center/how-to-determine-league-age/

https://ponybbsb.freshdesk.com/en/support/solutions/articles/27000058423-pony-baseball-league-age-key

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who is saying she is holding her May kid back, this is exactly the issue.... because of all of you doing this, those of us with June kids who have not done it, now have kids who do not have same age peers. Your child is now 13 months older than mine and in the same grade. So your quest to make sure your child is at the top of everything now makes my kid who is 13 months younger have to keep up academically, socially and athletically with your child who jas been developing, etc for 13 months more. This may not be a problem for all kids bit its a problem for those kids who are 13 months younger who may have issues themselves with maturity etc!

Most people know these kids on top are on top due to age and not necessarily smarter.

This. A mom in my grade brags about how smart her kid is, but she’s over a year older than my kid who started on time. It’s kind of a weird flex… personally I wouldn’t go around bragging about how smart my kid is if I held her back that means you didn’t have the confidence in her abilities when she was 5. If I held my kid back, I’d think people would assume my kid is dumb or poorly behaved.

[Anonymous]

A FB mom group I’m in just had a mom advocating to redshirt JANUARY kids … out of control

[Anonymous]

I posted anout the child who everyone was singing his praises at baseball that he is the best on team etc. I just learned this kid is also in the gifted and talented program at our school. Teachers identift students for it. So this first grade boy was identified by his first grade teacher as gifted.... but he is June 2014... a full year older than my June first grader. So is he gifted or supposed to be in second grade?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this today. My May son who is 6 was playing a rec baseball game. There is a child in his grade also born in May but the year before. The child was not redshirted for any developmental reasons- the parents just wanted him to be the oldest. So everyone is singing his praises at the first rec baseball game tonight- wow look at him! Hes the best on the team! I wonder how many of them realize he was supposed to be in 2nd grade, not first. He also was complaining that he wanted to do kid pitch and not coach pitch. My 6 yr old NEEDS coach pitch to learn how to bat. This child doesnt need it anymore because he is approaching 8. Maybe if he was in the grade he was supposed to be in, then hed be doing the kid pitch he is ready to be doing and not taking a spot from kids who are in the right grade. Ive seen this time and time again since I have multiple boys and its extremely annoying because its clear these kids were held back to be on top and to be better than everyone else at everything!

Who cares? When the kids start playing real baseball, Little League or Pony it's by age. A birth certificate is required. Calm down, it's rec baseball which means nothing.

No, not where I live. Only travel soccer is by birth year. Little league and all other sports are by grade, including high school sports.

Then you must play low level non competitive baseball. I have to produce birth certificates so kids can play in tournaments.

https://www.littleleague.org/help-center/how-to-determine-league-age/

https://ponybbsb.freshdesk.com/en/support/solutions/articles/27000058423-pony-baseball-league-age-key

Not sure what to tell you. I really dont care if my kids little league is low or high level according to you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this today. My May son who is 6 was playing a rec baseball game. There is a child in his grade also born in May but the year before. The child was not redshirted for any developmental reasons- the parents just wanted him to be the oldest. So everyone is singing his praises at the first rec baseball game tonight- wow look at him! Hes the best on the team! I wonder how many of them realize he was supposed to be in 2nd grade, not first. He also was complaining that he wanted to do kid pitch and not coach pitch. My 6 yr old NEEDS coach pitch to learn how to bat. This child doesnt need it anymore because he is approaching 8. Maybe if he was in the grade he was supposed to be in, then hed be doing the kid pitch he is ready to be doing and not taking a spot from kids who are in the right grade. Ive seen this time and time again since I have multiple boys and its extremely annoying because its clear these kids were held back to be on top and to be better than everyone else at everything!

Who cares? When the kids start playing real baseball, Little League or Pony it's by age. A birth certificate is required. Calm down, it's rec baseball which means nothing.

No, not where I live. Only travel soccer is by birth year. Little league and all other sports are by grade, including high school sports.

Then you must play low level non competitive baseball. I have to produce birth certificates so kids can play in tournaments.

https://www.littleleague.org/help-center/how-to-determine-league-age/

https://ponybbsb.freshdesk.com/en/support/solutions/articles/27000058423-pony-baseball-league-age-key

Not sure what to tell you. I really dont care if my kids little league is low or high level according to you!

Moron, your kid isn't playing real Little League. So don't get so jealous if the older kids are outdoing your kid. When your kid is out of kindergarten and starts playing real sports you will learn a thing or two. Until then, relax, he's not going to the MLB anyway.

[Anonymous]

So, OP, did you go ahead and enroll your July boy or did you decide to redshirt afterall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted anout the child who everyone was singing his praises at baseball that he is the best on team etc. I just learned this kid is also in the gifted and talented program at our school. Teachers identift students for it. So this first grade boy was identified by his first grade teacher as gifted.... but he is June 2014... a full year older than my June first grader. So is he gifted or supposed to be in second grade?

I was a June baby who started K when I was 5 and didn’t turn 6 until K was over. I really wish my parents had held me back. Socially, I never really fit in. I usually had 1 or 2 close friends, but not always. I was picked on a lot and often excluded. By the time I was in high school I had established circles of friends at school and at church, both of which were made up of kids at least a grade level behind me, and sometimes more. I didn’t have a single friend in my grade level.

My kindergarten class learned to read, but I struggled and it didn’t click until the following summer, which I believe was in large part due to maturity/readiness. It was frustrating and depressing, not because an older kid was a star, but because I was behind everyone. After that, I generally excelled academically even though most of my classmates were almost a year older (without redshirting).

Redshirting was so rare back then, that it didn’t occur to people as an option. However, I think if it had been, I would have benefited greatly from it. Not because it gave me some competitive edge, but because it’s where I fit best.

Kids aren’t widgets. They don’t all develop at a uniform pace. Even a single child at any age will have areas where they are more developed and areas where they are less developed, creating pros and cons for any grade placement. Moreover, childhood isn’t a competition. One child thriving does not harm another child. Ideally, they should all be encouraged. Finally, as the youngest in my class, I wasn’t bothered by the threat of superior performance from kids who were older (the few kids who stood out as singularly talented in an area, I don’t think were significantly older than my other classmates), but I was frequently bothered by kids disrupting the classroom with immature behavior. I think if you want to maximize you’re child’s achievement potential, you’d be better off encouraging parents to redshirt immature kids so that their classrooms and activities are able to focus on their purpose.

I think gifted assessments are usually age based. Consider that there is greater difference between September-June than there is from June-September. For a five year old, 9 months is a significant variance that they account for. There is reasonable cause to question the validity of any measure of giftedness and plenty of grey area, but redshirting just isn’t one. Being older might give him an edge in baseball, but there’s always going to be someone older, faster, stronger, bigger, more coordinated, etc., and they won’t necessarily be the same kid, or stay the same over time. Even if they are, and you remove that kid from the team, any benefits that are correlated with age will likely go to the older ones on the team, and there will remain an age difference. Not to mention that some old kids may be short for their age, or poorly coordinated, or slow, etc.

It is entirely possible that the kid is gifted and good at baseball, and belonged in first grade. If his parents had not redshirted him and he was in second grade, he would probably have still been identified as gifted, but might have had other issues, or caused issues for the other kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting conversation to me because I'm expecting a boy this June, and granted I haven't met my baby yet, let alone know what he'll be like developmentally as a child, but it wouldn't occur to me to *not* have not have him start Kindergarten at age 5, unless he were substantially behind in preschool. I live in MD, so K is the first year we'll not have to pay for childcare, and I will certainly be ready to take advantage of that. And aside from that, I just don't want to delay him from growing up, being with his peers, etc., again of course assuming he's within normal range for developmental milestones.

Most people don't redshirt. Kindergarten classes full of mostly 7 year olds don't really exist in the real world.

…this would not be the case, they would be 6 when they started (or shortly after they started) kindergarten

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted anout the child who everyone was singing his praises at baseball that he is the best on team etc. I just learned this kid is also in the gifted and talented program at our school. Teachers identift students for it. So this first grade boy was identified by his first grade teacher as gifted.... but he is June 2014... a full year older than my June first grader. So is he gifted or supposed to be in second grade?

I was a June baby who started K when I was 5 and didn’t turn 6 until K was over. I really wish my parents had held me back. Socially, I never really fit in. I usually had 1 or 2 close friends, but not always. I was picked on a lot and often excluded. By the time I was in high school I had established circles of friends at school and at church, both of which were made up of kids at least a grade level behind me, and sometimes more. I didn’t have a single friend in my grade level.

My kindergarten class learned to read, but I struggled and it didn’t click until the following summer, which I believe was in large part due to maturity/readiness. It was frustrating and depressing, not because an older kid was a star, but because I was behind everyone. After that, I generally excelled academically even though most of my classmates were almost a year older (without redshirting).

Redshirting was so rare back then, that it didn’t occur to people as an option. However, I think if it had been, I would have benefited greatly from it. Not because it gave me some competitive edge, but because it’s where I fit best.

Kids aren’t widgets. They don’t all develop at a uniform pace. Even a single child at any age will have areas where they are more developed and areas where they are less developed, creating pros and cons for any grade placement. Moreover, childhood isn’t a competition. One child thriving does not harm another child. Ideally, they should all be encouraged. Finally, as the youngest in my class, I wasn’t bothered by the threat of superior performance from kids who were older (the few kids who stood out as singularly talented in an area, I don’t think were significantly older than my other classmates), but I was frequently bothered by kids disrupting the classroom with immature behavior. I think if you want to maximize you’re child’s achievement potential, you’d be better off encouraging parents to redshirt immature kids so that their classrooms and activities are able to focus on their purpose.

I think gifted assessments are usually age based. Consider that there is greater difference between September-June than there is from June-September. For a five year old, 9 months is a significant variance that they account for. There is reasonable cause to question the validity of any measure of giftedness and plenty of grey area, but redshirting just isn’t one. Being older might give him an edge in baseball, but there’s always going to be someone older, faster, stronger, bigger, more coordinated, etc., and they won’t necessarily be the same kid, or stay the same over time. Even if they are, and you remove that kid from the team, any benefits that are correlated with age will likely go to the older ones on the team, and there will remain an age difference. Not to mention that some old kids may be short for their age, or poorly coordinated, or slow, etc.

It is entirely possible that the kid is gifted and good at baseball, and belonged in first grade. If his parents had not redshirted him and he was in second grade, he would probably have still been identified as gifted, but might have had other issues, or caused issues for the other kids.

Could you have any more contradictions in your writing?

I’m sorry if my post was confusing. Could you identify some specific points you feel were contradictory so that I can try to clarify them?