GT/AAP Appeals

[Anonymous]

I would skip the recommendations and work samples. If you feel compelled to write a parent letter I would make it short and to the point. I think your wisc is great and you should win your appeal. All your scores are similar to my DC. he got in with a 9 GBRS... but the difference must be that i submitted his wisc with the original packet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would skip the recommendations and work samples. If you feel compelled to write a parent letter I would make it short and to the point. I think your wisc is great and you should win your appeal. All your scores are similar to my DC. he got in with a 9 GBRS... but the difference must be that i submitted his wisc with the original packet.

Do you mind telling what the WISC score was?
Thanks.

[Anonymous]

I have seen lots of appeals because of a low GBRS but I am in the opposite situation my son had a high GBRS of 15 but low CoGAT and NNAT scores.Both his scores were in the 120-126.What kind of WISC score do you think we need?

[Anonymous]

Hi 13:05. I am curious what your dc WISC scores were as well. We are appealing and have very similiar scores as the other poster. Thank you for your feedback. It is very helpful.

[Anonymous]

13:51 I am very very surprised that your child did not get in with those scores and a GBRS of 15. You all may be interested in the Harcourt report compiling the WISC profile of gifted children. It was something like VCI 126 PRI 120 WMI 117 and PSI 108. They are finding that gifted children average VCI/PRI scores in the low to mid 120's on the WISC-IV (earlier versions were around 130 for gifted groups), and that the gifted kids do not work any faster than average IQ kids (hence, the average PSI scores). I have to believe that the county people making the decisions are aware of these statistics, and that is why they value high VCI/PRI scores over WMI/PSI. In short, if your child's VCI/PRI scores match his or her her CogAT/NNAT scores (in the mid-120's) I can't see why s/he wouldn't be eligible with the awesome GBRS 15. My two cents.

[Anonymous]

Okay, my numbers were off (regarding VCI/PRI in low to mid 120's) and that should teach me not to talk off the top of my head. But, the Full Scale IQ of the gifted group was still much lower that most on this board would expect (127). Here is the link:

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/About_GDC/whoaregiftd.htm

[Anonymous]

WOW great article. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Got rejected with GBRS 7 and 120 cogat nnat 135 now with new Wisc score of 152 and GBRS 7 what are the chances of getting in appeal. Anyone please suggest.

[Anonymous]

Wisc of 152...should trump anythin

[Anonymous]

A philosophical question: Would you rather have a WISC 152 with a GBRS of 7, or a WISC 132 with a GBRS of 12?

[Anonymous]

well GBRS is subjective but Wisc is individual test i think higher Wisc will carry more value

[Anonymous]

Wow that is a great WISC score. AWESOME!! I think you should have no problem getting in.

[Anonymous]

Thanks, but my concern is low GBRS 7 her DRA is 30. Let's hope with high Wisc may be they will consider her this time. Her psychologist was really surprised about her GBRS. She asked me not to mention anything about GBRS in the cover letter. The FCPS committee knows that it's very subjective. Any suggestion?

[Anonymous]

152 Wisc beats gbrs. It is that simple.

[Anonymous]

PP here: another way to look at it that there are two facts to consider with GBRS and testing: 1) GBRS are subjective, and 2) there are ways (questionably ethical) to prep for the NNAT and CoGAT. With that said, test strategies and prep can possibly increase the scores 20-30 points.

Presumably, the committee knows both of these. So, ideally, there will be gifted GBRS and good test scores (say 12 and 130). A student with lower GBRS (7) and 120 -130 NNAT test scores, like 10:56, would signal a child that might have been prepped...the numbers are out of whack. The 152 tell the committee that the child is smart...3-4 standard deviations above mean, but is probably having issues in class.

You turn it around, say around 120 on the tests, but 14-16 GBRS, the same questions might exist, but the high GBRS child would probably not be disruptive in class even if they don't belong. That is just a guess.

For truth in advertising, I was a child that would have had a low GBRS...how low? I do not know. But I would test off the charts. I was bored out of my mind.

My DD did not test as well as I think she should have...did not make the pool with scores around 120. We got a WISC IV as part of the referral package, and her scores were consistent with the in school tests. I talked to the AART after that, with the plan to not parental refer. She strongly encouraged me to refer, so I followed her advice. She ended up with a GBRS of 15, and was accepted starting last fall. She is doing fine....Mostly O's on the report card.