APS Bell schedule review

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

My MS student is desperate for this change and is sharing the survey with all friends. None of them object to a later start. NONE.

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

I'm the PP. I teach middle school in APS, and I talked with the kids I teach about this who will be in MS next year. 95% of them are horrified that under the proposals that move the middle school start time past 9 AM, they lose a lot of their after-school time for fun, activities, and homework.

Hahaha. Yeah right. I bet they do like having 2:45-9 pm to fart around on their phones. Doesn’t mean we should let them. They will still have time for activities. However, they may need to choose between MS clubs and activities and their travel sport obligations. Can’t have it all!

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

I'm the PP. I teach middle school in APS, and I talked with the kids I teach about this who will be in MS next year. 95% of them are horrified that under the proposals that move the middle school start time past 9 AM, they lose a lot of their after-school time for fun, activities, and homework.

Hahaha. Yeah right. I bet they do like having 2:45-9 pm to fart around on their phones. Doesn’t mean we should let them. They will still have time for activities. However, they may need to choose between MS clubs and activities and their travel sport obligations. Can’t have it all!

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This is the bottom line.

[Anonymous]

OK I haven't read this entire thread but I'm glad I saw it b/c I had been just ignoring the survey link in my inbox.

I voted for Scenario 2 and 4 as being OK, and 4 as my preference. My MS kid starts too early and my ES kid starts too late IMO.

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

That’s what I thought, but when I asked my daughters friends they said they enjoyed getting out earlier instead. Gives them time to hang out, homework before other extracurricular activities.

Tweens and teens often are not vett try good judges of what’s best for their health.

That's not the point... PP said most kids want to start later. Several of us have noted its not what they all actually want (particularly kids who are in sports, other activities and have more homework). However, that really doesn't matter as adults will make the decisions not adolescents.

[Anonymous]

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

That’s what I thought, but when I asked my daughters friends they said they enjoyed getting out earlier instead. Gives them time to hang out, homework before other extracurricular activities.

Tweens and teens often are not vett try good judges of what’s best for their health.

That's not the point... PP said most kids want to start later. Several of us have noted its not what they all actually want (particularly kids who are in sports, other activities and have more homework). However, that really doesn't matter as adults will make the decisions not adolescents.

I did say most, I said many

[Anonymous]

quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If they have the later start time, I would assume that they wouldn’t be able to do highschool sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

[Anonymous]

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

My MS student is desperate for this change and is sharing the survey with all friends. None of them object to a later start. NONE.

My middle schooler and his friends object to the change. So, shockingly, not all kids have the same opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

You do not know this to be true. We don’t know what other changes would come out of shifting bell times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

How many MS kids participate in HS sports? This is a thing?

Also, it’s not any different than kids at HB who go to their “home” HS for sports. They do it, so can the 5 MS kids who play HS sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

How many MS kids participate in HS sports? This is a thing?

Also, it’s not any different than kids at HB who go to their “home” HS for sports. They do it, so can the 5 MS kids who play HS sports.

Good point. HB ends latest and they’ve found a way to make it work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

How many MS kids participate in HS sports? This is a thing?

Also, it’s not any different than kids at HB who go to their “home” HS for sports. They do it, so can the 5 MS kids who play HS sports.

Good point. HB ends latest and they’ve found a way to make it work

For HS. Kids at HB cannot participate in MS sports.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:quick question - how would the a later MS time impact those 8th graders that may make a high school JV sports team?

I'm in favor of a later time for my middle schooler but he is also very active after school in activities (at school) and outside school. He loves it and he NEEDS all the physical activity he can get.

If middle school got out later, they would not be able to participate in most high school sports. Practices would start before middle school ends. And little to no middle school sports would be an option.

You do not know this to be true. We don’t know what other changes would come out of shifting bell times.

+1 If bell times change, everything else will adjust to that! Extracurricular schedules are beholden to school schedules, not the other way around.