APS Bell schedule review

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

I'd agree with you on that. I think APS should make a decision now but not implement until 2023-34.

[Anonymous]

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

[Anonymous]

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

July 30th

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

July 30th

The SB is going to vote on May 12, more than two months before then, so you won’t have any transfer date issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

[Anonymous]

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

July 30th

The SB is going to vote on May 12, more than two months before then, so you won’t have any transfer date issues.

Exactly. There is a transfer fair (priority given to current VLP staff) for people who are interested in new schools but I think people are giving it too much weight. It’s not something they have done in the past 5 years.

[Anonymous]

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

July 30th

The SB is going to vote on May 12, more than two months before then, so you won’t have any transfer date issues.

They just redid transfers and said June 15. Are they going to know the actual schools and times on May 12, or just a general 8 ES will start at 8:20 and 10 will start at 9:10- I don't know! The whole transfer process can be up in the air for a while because when someone transfers that creates another teaching spot.

[Anonymous]

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I do find it funny watching the middle school teachers met down about what an impossible schedule this is while elementary teachers have been doing it for years, often with young children who are so overtired by our 3:40 dismissal.



I don’t know why you find it funny that a relatively drastic change in schedule is problematic for people who often work two jobs. Many middle school teachers have a second job after school or help with clubs/sports that they can’t do if school gets out around 4. Elem and middle school teachers took these positions knowing the bell schedule. They planned their lives and incomes around the schedule. Same as elem school teachers nervous about what they are going to do with childcare at 7am when many pre-schools are already full for the fall. Just because middle school teachers have done it, doesn’t mean elem school teachers can do it without enough planning. I grew up here. These bell times have been fairly constant for 30 years. People knew going into the profession about what time they would work.

+1 million
PP is ignorant as hell

Seriously? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Teachers go into teaching for whatever reasons; but they take the job they can get that best suits them. Yeah, sure, they're used to their existing schedules and such; but if you're trying to convince people MS teachers can't do a schedule ES teachers do, you're not convincing me. ES teachers can also have a second job or help with after-school activities.

And "people going into the profession" do not know where they're going to be teaching or what that school or school system's bell schedules are beforehand. Bell schedules are not the same everywhere and graduating teachers-to-be don't know where they're going to end up. Like any profession, you can't always be too choosey and you take what you can and work your way through your career to more desirable situations.

Yes, some teachers might have a drastic change to their schedules after this. But you don't make decisions like this just because it's what everyone is used to. APS shouldn't be implementing this next year - that's the consideration they should give staff and parents both who will have to re-arrange logistics.

That was my point. And the people I see complaining aren’t running to second jobs. They are mad because they live in Fairfax and want to avoid traffic.

My complaint as a teacher is that the bell schedules need to be released before our transfer date is expired. I tottally admit that I went into teacher so that I could spend time with my kids when they are young and not have a ton of work/life balance issues. THe trade off was/is that i dont’ get paid as well as Icould have if I chose another profession.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect the county to have had this schedule released before the “transfer fair” which will be held next week. They will not, and I think it is hard to look for a new school/job without knowing what the hours will be.
If my school dismisses at 4:10, that will make me have to get on a list for after care for my own kids (in Fairfax) I should know that NOW.

What is the transfer deadline?

July 30th

The SB is going to vote on May 12, more than two months before then, so you won’t have any transfer date issues.

They just redid transfers and said June 15. Are they going to know the actual schools and times on May 12, or just a general 8 ES will start at 8:20 and 10 will start at 9:10- I don't know! The whole transfer process can be up in the air for a while because when someone transfers that creates another teaching spot.

FWIW I have transferred after the deadline last year, it’s not a hard stop.

[Anonymous]

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

That’s what I thought, but when I asked my daughters friends they said they enjoyed getting out earlier instead. Gives them time to hang out, homework before other extracurricular activities.

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

That’s what I thought, but when I asked my daughters friends they said they enjoyed getting out earlier instead. Gives them time to hang out, homework before other extracurricular activities.

I certainly liked unsupervised time in my early teens but extra sleep would have been more beneficial.

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

I'm the PP. I teach middle school in APS, and I talked with the kids I teach about this who will be in MS next year. 95% of them are horrified that under the proposals that move the middle school start time past 9 AM, they lose a lot of their after-school time for fun, activities, and homework.

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They can, but they don't. Most after-school activities at ES schools are run by parents or others. Virtually all clubs and coaching in MS schools are done by the teachers. There is no comparison.


Why can’t Baroody run middle school activities if teachers aren’t interested?

The MS teachers *are* interested. That's why they would like to keep the schedule the way it is so that they can still run clubs after school. Some of them are very academic-based and shouldn't be run by Baroody.

Ok, but there’s no reason outside providers can’t fill in some gaps if needed. I’m sure not all yea hers will decide not to do clubs if the schedule changes.

Many schools have MS clubs that are created by the students and require a teacher sponsor. This would be very difficult with a random outside provider. Also, who would pay for the provider, APS? These activities are "free" to the kids because the teachers donate their time.

Again, some teachers will still sponsor clubs. They don’t all object to the potential changes. I just don’t think we should throw out ideas that could give tweens and teens much needed sleep and start elementary students a start time that better aligns with their sleep rhythms based on the idea that some clubs may not happen. Over the last two years I’ve seen the APS teachers group flooded with people threatening to quit or predicting doom and gloom that has not come to fruition so I’m skeptical it will be so dire.

It’s one thing to quit your job. It’s much easier to quit coaching/sponsoring the activity you’ve had for years because you have a 30-minute drive home at 4, but now have a 50-60 minute drive home at 5:30.

I’m a fan of the three options that make minor adjustments to the middle school bell schedule.

Haven’t we asked these middle school students to adjust to enough in the last few years? It seems cruel to propose these major changes for the 2022-23 school year, given what the last two years of school looked like for these kids.

I think a lot of middle school kids would love extra sleep.

That’s what I thought, but when I asked my daughters friends they said they enjoyed getting out earlier instead. Gives them time to hang out, homework before other extracurricular activities.

Tweens and teens often are not vett try good judges of what’s best for their health.