Cancel Spotify

[Anonymous]

Did anyone here actually listen to his comments?

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Anonymous wrote:You all are children. You think people aren’t able to speak or think for themselves and don’t believe in freedom of speech or thought. You’re just making the divide in our country worse.

No. We are tired of POSs like Rogan destroying our country with lies.

We have too many idiots who make bad choices. They don’t need Spotify to encourage them to listen to a POS like Rogan.

It’s one thing to carry him but they actively promote him. It’s vile.

Your thinking is what’s really polarizing and problematic - thinking of everyone else as idiots. How much of a problem is this one guy? Fox News exists and does way more damage for example. Joe rogan would have no traction if he were the only one. Focus on the entire broken system rather than making this one guy out to be so so exotic and exciting and therefore exacerbating the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are children. You think people aren’t able to speak or think for themselves and don’t believe in freedom of speech or thought. You’re just making the divide in our country worse.

No. We are tired of POSs like Rogan destroying our country with lies.

We have too many idiots who make bad choices. They don’t need Spotify to encourage them to listen to a POS like Rogan.

It’s one thing to carry him but they actively promote him. It’s vile.

Your thinking is what’s really polarizing and problematic - thinking of everyone else as idiots. How much of a problem is this one guy? Fox News exists and does way more damage for example. Joe rogan would have no traction if he were the only one. Focus on the entire broken system rather than making this one guy out to be so so exotic and exciting and therefore exacerbating the problem.

Why do you assume I'm only focused on this DB? I'm capable of rejecting all kinds of POSs.

Our society has been subject to a steady stream of misinformation from cable news & the loss of the fairness doctrine -- it's all been downhill since then.

My specific concern in this case is Spotify prominently promoting Rogan. They are encouraging the idiots (yes, there are a bunch of them) to listen to his crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone here actually listen to his comments?

Yes, they weren't based on reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap. It's pretty scary to see how many anti-free speechers there are here. Have we really come to this?

People have free speech but they are not free from the consequences of their speech.

THANK YOU

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap. It's pretty scary to see how many anti-free speechers there are here. Have we really come to this?

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech. Of course, there's no government action involved here. We just have Rogan profiting off of harmful disinformation about COVID, Young objecting to his music being part of a system that allows Rogan to profit off of hurting people, Spotify being a private company profiting off of Rogan and Young, and customers who are free to speak with their own money either in favor of COVID disinformation or in favor of good science and good public health policy.

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Neil Young has every right to pull his music from Spotify.

What is annoying is all of your virtual signaling by coming here to tell us how outraged you are after reading a Twitter post on the issue. At least put out a yard sigh so you can identify your moral superiority to your neighbors.

So many fascists masquerading as conservatives.

I don't really care if Spotify keeps Rogan or not. It is their right to do so. It is the right of Spotify consumers not to continue to pay Spotify, also. I don't care if they do so or not. I don't care who keeps their music on Spotify. I have never had a Spotify subscription and I'm not going to start. It is irrelevant to me.

But I care a lot about supposed conservatives who want to mandate that a private enterprise keep content that the conservatives want. That is the opposite of free speech. I am a free market, anti-fascist supporter, and as far as I am concerned, the conservatives freaking out about this are showing their true anti-capitalist, fascist colors.

[Anonymous]

I didn't watch the podcast. What is the harmful misinformation he is spreading?

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Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don't understand the conservatives who are unhappy about cancel Spotify. Aren't you in favor of capitalism? Isn't this just capitalism at work? Like the Dixie Chicks example someone used above?

The government isn't involved. There is no censorship. It's the private market in action. Isn't that a good thing?

Of course it's ok. But these artists are just conveniently in line with current politics and getting immediate positive attention and whatever comes with it. It's not like Joan Mitchell is doing something risqué and losing tons of money for canceling Spotify.

I hope Spotify responds calmly, like Trader Joe, when there was a social pressure to change the names of their product to fit current woke nonsense agenda. I can't despise anti-vaxxers more, but I really hate the idea that people are not able to think for themselves and Neil Young protecting me from "the lies" on Spotify.

But why can’t Neil Young decide he doesn’t want to share a platform with an antivaxxer and exercise his right to control the intellectual property he owns? Why are conservatives so opposed to somebody exercising their own rights in their own intellectual property? That is what I do not get about the conservative position about this. It seems exactly the opposite of support for the free market, personal choice, and capitalism.

this is not conservatism, it's libertarianism. sometimes, they go together, sometimes not.

I am not a conservative nor a liberatarian but I will explain why some people are against this.

There is nuance that many people have a hard time understanding. I agree that it is Neil’s choice to remove his music from the platform. It is 100% his right. However, I disagree that that it is the right decision to attempt to deplatform those with unpopular views, which is what people like Neil are trying to pressure Spotify to do. Now, again, Spotify 100% has the right to remove Neil or Joe. However, while I agree it is the their right to do so, my opinion is that it is not the right decision for large open platforms to ban users for unpopular views. As another poster commented, it is alarming that so many people are unwilling and unable to engage with those who they disagree with and prefer to silence them instead.

Okay, but then what do you want someone like Neil Young to do? Is he supposed to allow use of his intellectual property against his choice by a platform that he views as harmful?

I don't understand why supposed conservatives want to control Young's use of his own intellectual property. It seems very hypocritical.

Neil Young can do whatever he wants. Just like country music stations can do whatever they want. Neil could have just removed his music, but he didn't do that did he. He started a campaign to remove Joe Rogan, demanding that Spotify remove him. I don't listen to Joe Rogan but googling shows that he tells his audience that he is not a doctor and they should not consult his show for medical advice. You can't stop people from making foolish decisions and you can't stop people from having opinions which are different than yours, and you cant force people to acknowledge facts. Banning them only isolates them further.

Do you think Neil Young should be forced to keep his music on Spotify or not?

Neil Young has every right to pull his music from Spotify.

What is annoying is all of your virtual signaling by coming here to tell us how outraged you are after reading a Twitter post on the issue. At least put out a yard sigh so you can identify your moral superiority to your neighbors.

So many fascists masquerading as conservatives.

I don't really care if Spotify keeps Rogan or not. It is their right to do so. It is the right of Spotify consumers not to continue to pay Spotify, also. I don't care if they do so or not. I don't care who keeps their music on Spotify. I have never had a Spotify subscription and I'm not going to start. It is irrelevant to me.

But I care a lot about supposed conservatives who want to mandate that a private enterprise keep content that the conservatives want. That is the opposite of free speech. I am a free market, anti-fascist supporter, and as far as I am concerned, the conservatives freaking out about this are showing their true anti-capitalist, fascist colors.

Calm down. PP is complaining about virtue signaling consumers, not demanding that Spotify must be forced to carry Neil Young or Joe Rohan. Do you understand the difference?

[Anonymous]

And Neil moved his catalog to Amazon...

the company that has done more harm to the American working class than Joe Rogan ever could

Gotta love Boomers...

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Anonymous wrote:And Neil moved his catalog to Amazon...

the company that has done more harm to the American working class than Joe Rogan ever could

Gotta love Boomers...

Hey hey my my, he's such a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And Neil moved his catalog to Amazon...

the company that has done more harm to the American working class than Joe Rogan ever could

Gotta love Boomers...

Amazon is also beneficial to the working class. $100 million dollar man Joe Rogan? Not so much.

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Hypocritical Authoritarian

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't watch the podcast. What is the harmful misinformation he is spreading?

I listened to about 20 minutes of the supposedly controversial podcast and got horribly bored and turned it off. (It’s almost 3 hours long.) Don’t think I made it to anything questionable. I’m willing to bet the majority of people making a fuss haven’t listened to the whole thing, but jumping on bandwagons is so easy.

I’m keeping my Spotify account, but I doubt I’ll ever listed to Joe Rogan again. I imagine he’s picked up more than a few new devotees with all this hubbub, though, so well done, people!

[Anonymous]

Left leaning lib chiming in. Spotify is an entertainment company! Joe is a bozo, but his response video was reasonable. While I don't agree with all his views, I have no plans to cancel.