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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whose idea it was to have integrated classrooms with no support.

I guess the support dwindled over time. Eons ago, I was an EA. (Called paras now?) I worked mainly with one child to manage behavior. I sat right beside him most of the day. I was able to head off any outbursts, and minimize distractions. If he was working well I could go around and help other kids with reading, or whatever they were working on.

Now, that child would be in the classroom with no support.. He would start kicking his feet.. Then drum on his desk. Then start singing. He needed someone to help him focus. Fortunately his physical outbursts were rare. But, that one kid could be quite a distraction and take up a lot of time all on his own.

Teachers need more support, period.

That’s what he would do? I have at least 6 in a class of 26 that do things like that non-stop and none are special needs students.

That was his starting point. It escalated from there. He was 5 1/2 with the maturity of a 3 year old. He was known to throw things, scream, and bite before they hired an EA for him. As I said, this was ages ago. Some might be surprised by the fact that those behaviors haven't always been tolerated. Some of the crap we see now would have had kids removed from the classroom. We were actually allowed to do that.

That kid needs to be removed from the regular class and put in a separate one. We can’t sacrifice the learning of the 25 other students for some doubtful outcome of a troubled student.

Just to show how messed up the schools are at my child’s they hired a mental health counselor, but they don’t have a science teacher.

He didn't need to be removed, he needed in class support.

As in one dedicated teacher to distract the troubled kid so that the rest can do their reading?

Sorry, but with the limited resources schools have, that’s just not a sensible approach.

What would you do? If teachers can't have the level of in class support that is needed, then maybe we need to go back to separate classrooms? Integrated classrooms without support doesn't work. Separate classrooms cause some parents to scream about inequality.

I didn't merely distract him. I worked with him to do his work, on his level. He had a modified lesson plan that the special ed teacher developed.

Sorry, I still don’t see how it makes sense. The student can’t read at 5th grade level, he has a different lesson plan, and a dedicated teacher is brought in to work with him. Nevertheless he stays in the same class, though it doesn’t seem there’s much interaction with the rest of the students, or any overlap in the curriculum. You get him to read a text at second grade level, and that’s integration and support.

I weep for the kids in that school. The only solution I see is a voucher system, so they at least have a chance to get an education somewhere else.

Disgusting and shameful that you think that having to work alongside people with disabilities is a tragedy. They are entitled to full inclusion. It is not an indication that the government should be giving YOU money that a child with (mild) special needs is allowed to stay in their educational environment. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Aren’t you filled with righteous indignation?
Yes, it is shameful that kids reading three grades ahead are put in the same class with kids barely sounding out words. And it is a tragedy, because this setup will not help either of them, on the contrary it will hurt both. How did you decide that my child’s needs are mild?!! What does that even mean? And you have the nerve to talk about disgusting and shameful. Sped kids are not entitled to any kind of inclusion you personally come up with. We don’t decide they are entitled to a seat in an AP class and have an aid work with them on the side on the basics.
You seem to have your facts wrong, I am giving the government money, not the other way around! Every time I pay my taxes. I want a decent education in return for my child. If the school can’t deliver on it, they should get out of the way, and let another school do it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Federal education law dictates that the child DOES have the right to full inclusion. Are you completely unfamiliar with IDEA? Why are you talking about something that you don’t understand? Your child does not have the right to a segregated high achieving class. They all have the right to exposure to the grade level curriculum. If you feel that your child would benefit from being sheltered from reality and diversity, you can pay for that privilege.

My child would most definitely benefit from being sheltered from poorly performing schools. I’m going to suggest this: you send your kid to that school where education means “exposure to grade level curriculum”. Where is the accountability if all you need to do is provide exposure?
You are either silly or dishonest here trying to hide behind the federal regulations. The schools are a disaster because feds made us do it. The point about sped is just to illustrate an example of poor choices that result in a school environment that is not conducive to learning. My child has the right to a good learning environment the rich take for granted. If the public school can’t provide it, I should have the option to take that public support to the institution of my choice.

You have a right to an education, nothing more nothing less.

If it’s just “an” education, then there’s no accountability, it can be anything as long as we put teachers and children in a room. The vast majority of parents are not ok with this view. The argument is that we also have a right to school choice. Hopefully this wave of public support will materialize in legislative initiatives that empower parents and students.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope she does. No job is worth sacrificing your mental health. I’m a teacher who just quit. I gave my required notice and I feel much lighter. I already have another job lined up.

Teaching is not the priesthood. If people are unhappy with compensation and working conditions, they are free to leave. Including teachers.

I mean, many of them are. We have massive teacher shortages, and especially sub shortages, all across the country, caused by both people leaving the field and significantly fewer people choosing to enter it. I'm HR in a district of about 20k in Pennsylvania, we currently have 29 unfilled positions. I started working for this district in 2005, there's always been less of a supply of sped and HS math and science applicants, but back when I first started, we'd get like 75+ applicants for general elementary and middle school positions, and there were SO many people who had to do long term subbing gigs because they just couldn't get hired (not really their fault, just because supply and demand). These days, we're lucky if we get 10 applicants for these positions. And this is a very good suburban district, not some tough inner city one.

It is funny because the "if you don't like your job, then leave" folks are often the first ones to complain when their kid spends half the year with an unqualified sub or their kid's school is staffed with checked out and/or clueless teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whose idea it was to have integrated classrooms with no support.

I guess the support dwindled over time. Eons ago, I was an EA. (Called paras now?) I worked mainly with one child to manage behavior. I sat right beside him most of the day. I was able to head off any outbursts, and minimize distractions. If he was working well I could go around and help other kids with reading, or whatever they were working on.

Now, that child would be in the classroom with no support.. He would start kicking his feet.. Then drum on his desk. Then start singing. He needed someone to help him focus. Fortunately his physical outbursts were rare. But, that one kid could be quite a distraction and take up a lot of time all on his own.

Teachers need more support, period.

That’s what he would do? I have at least 6 in a class of 26 that do things like that non-stop and none are special needs students.

That was his starting point. It escalated from there. He was 5 1/2 with the maturity of a 3 year old. He was known to throw things, scream, and bite before they hired an EA for him. As I said, this was ages ago. Some might be surprised by the fact that those behaviors haven't always been tolerated. Some of the crap we see now would have had kids removed from the classroom. We were actually allowed to do that.

That kid needs to be removed from the regular class and put in a separate one. We can’t sacrifice the learning of the 25 other students for some doubtful outcome of a troubled student.

Just to show how messed up the schools are at my child’s they hired a mental health counselor, but they don’t have a science teacher.

He didn't need to be removed, he needed in class support.

As in one dedicated teacher to distract the troubled kid so that the rest can do their reading?

Sorry, but with the limited resources schools have, that’s just not a sensible approach.

What would you do? If teachers can't have the level of in class support that is needed, then maybe we need to go back to separate classrooms? Integrated classrooms without support doesn't work. Separate classrooms cause some parents to scream about inequality.

I didn't merely distract him. I worked with him to do his work, on his level. He had a modified lesson plan that the special ed teacher developed.

Sorry, I still don’t see how it makes sense. The student can’t read at 5th grade level, he has a different lesson plan, and a dedicated teacher is brought in to work with him. Nevertheless he stays in the same class, though it doesn’t seem there’s much interaction with the rest of the students, or any overlap in the curriculum. You get him to read a text at second grade level, and that’s integration and support.

I weep for the kids in that school. The only solution I see is a voucher system, so they at least have a chance to get an education somewhere else.

Disgusting and shameful that you think that having to work alongside people with disabilities is a tragedy. They are entitled to full inclusion. It is not an indication that the government should be giving YOU money that a child with (mild) special needs is allowed to stay in their educational environment. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Aren’t you filled with righteous indignation?
Yes, it is shameful that kids reading three grades ahead are put in the same class with kids barely sounding out words. And it is a tragedy, because this setup will not help either of them, on the contrary it will hurt both. How did you decide that my child’s needs are mild?!! What does that even mean? And you have the nerve to talk about disgusting and shameful. Sped kids are not entitled to any kind of inclusion you personally come up with. We don’t decide they are entitled to a seat in an AP class and have an aid work with them on the side on the basics.
You seem to have your facts wrong, I am giving the government money, not the other way around! Every time I pay my taxes. I want a decent education in return for my child. If the school can’t deliver on it, they should get out of the way, and let another school do it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Federal education law dictates that the child DOES have the right to full inclusion. Are you completely unfamiliar with IDEA? Why are you talking about something that you don’t understand? Your child does not have the right to a segregated high achieving class. They all have the right to exposure to the grade level curriculum. If you feel that your child would benefit from being sheltered from reality and diversity, you can pay for that privilege.

My child would most definitely benefit from being sheltered from poorly performing schools. I’m going to suggest this: you send your kid to that school where education means “exposure to grade level curriculum”. Where is the accountability if all you need to do is provide exposure?
You are either silly or dishonest here trying to hide behind the federal regulations. The schools are a disaster because feds made us do it. The point about sped is just to illustrate an example of poor choices that result in a school environment that is not conducive to learning. My child has the right to a good learning environment the rich take for granted. If the public school can’t provide it, I should have the option to take that public support to the institution of my choice.

You have a right to an education, nothing more nothing less.

uh, no. You have a right to a free and appropriate education, which includes the Least Restrictive Environment.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope she does. No job is worth sacrificing your mental health. I’m a teacher who just quit. I gave my required notice and I feel much lighter. I already have another job lined up.

Teaching is not the priesthood. If people are unhappy with compensation and working conditions, they are free to leave. Including teachers.

I mean, many of them are. We have massive teacher shortages, and especially sub shortages, all across the country, caused by both people leaving the field and significantly fewer people choosing to enter it. I'm HR in a district of about 20k in Pennsylvania, we currently have 29 unfilled positions. I started working for this district in 2005, there's always been less of a supply of sped and HS math and science applicants, but back when I first started, we'd get like 75+ applicants for general elementary and middle school positions, and there were SO many people who had to do long term subbing gigs because they just couldn't get hired (not really their fault, just because supply and demand). These days, we're lucky if we get 10 applicants for these positions. And this is a very good suburban district, not some tough inner city one.

It is funny because the "if you don't like your job, then leave" folks are often the first ones to complain when their kid spends half the year with an unqualified sub or their kid's school is staffed with checked out and/or clueless teachers.

I'm amazed you are getting 10 applicants for any positions. We're lucky to get 1-2 qualified applicants for the same positions we used to get hundreds of qualified applicants. For math, science, sped, bilingual, counselors, psychs, speech paths and more we're getting ZERO applicants. And we are a nice middle class neighborhood. Our district is making plans to financially reward teachers who do NOT retire this spring. We cannot afford to lose them because there is literally no one to replace them with.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope she does. No job is worth sacrificing your mental health. I’m a teacher who just quit. I gave my required notice and I feel much lighter. I already have another job lined up.

Teaching is not the priesthood. If people are unhappy with compensation and working conditions, they are free to leave. Including teachers.

I mean, many of them are. We have massive teacher shortages, and especially sub shortages, all across the country, caused by both people leaving the field and significantly fewer people choosing to enter it. I'm HR in a district of about 20k in Pennsylvania, we currently have 29 unfilled positions. I started working for this district in 2005, there's always been less of a supply of sped and HS math and science applicants, but back when I first started, we'd get like 75+ applicants for general elementary and middle school positions, and there were SO many people who had to do long term subbing gigs because they just couldn't get hired (not really their fault, just because supply and demand). These days, we're lucky if we get 10 applicants for these positions. And this is a very good suburban district, not some tough inner city one.

It is funny because the "if you don't like your job, then leave" folks are often the first ones to complain when their kid spends half the year with an unqualified sub or their kid's school is staffed with checked out and/or clueless teachers.

I'm amazed you are getting 10 applicants for any positions. We're lucky to get 1-2 qualified applicants for the same positions we used to get hundreds of qualified applicants. For math, science, sped, bilingual, counselors, psychs, speech paths and more we're getting ZERO applicants. And we are a nice middle class neighborhood. Our district is making plans to financially reward teachers who do NOT retire this spring. We cannot afford to lose them because there is literally no one to replace them with.

I’d like to hear more about this. I’m currently in my 29th year. I had (up until about 2 or 3 years ago) planned on teaching through year 33, but I’m now considering whether or not I can stop after next year. Just a few changes might convince me to stay the extra 3 years.

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I’m a mediocre teacher collecting checks and not planning to quit because the principal likes me

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Anonymous wrote:If things are so bad that a grown adult can’t take it when they’re getting paid, I’d definitely be volunteering so I knew what my child was being exposed to every day!

Volunteering? At school?? Where do you live? No schools around here allow parents in the classroom these days.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whose idea it was to have integrated classrooms with no support.

I guess the support dwindled over time. Eons ago, I was an EA. (Called paras now?) I worked mainly with one child to manage behavior. I sat right beside him most of the day. I was able to head off any outbursts, and minimize distractions. If he was working well I could go around and help other kids with reading, or whatever they were working on.

Now, that child would be in the classroom with no support.. He would start kicking his feet.. Then drum on his desk. Then start singing. He needed someone to help him focus. Fortunately his physical outbursts were rare. But, that one kid could be quite a distraction and take up a lot of time all on his own.

Teachers need more support, period.

That’s what he would do? I have at least 6 in a class of 26 that do things like that non-stop and none are special needs students.

That was his starting point. It escalated from there. He was 5 1/2 with the maturity of a 3 year old. He was known to throw things, scream, and bite before they hired an EA for him. As I said, this was ages ago. Some might be surprised by the fact that those behaviors haven't always been tolerated. Some of the crap we see now would have had kids removed from the classroom. We were actually allowed to do that.

That kid needs to be removed from the regular class and put in a separate one. We can’t sacrifice the learning of the 25 other students for some doubtful outcome of a troubled student.

Just to show how messed up the schools are at my child’s they hired a mental health counselor, but they don’t have a science teacher.

He didn't need to be removed, he needed in class support.

As in one dedicated teacher to distract the troubled kid so that the rest can do their reading?

Sorry, but with the limited resources schools have, that’s just not a sensible approach.

What would you do? If teachers can't have the level of in class support that is needed, then maybe we need to go back to separate classrooms? Integrated classrooms without support doesn't work. Separate classrooms cause some parents to scream about inequality.

I didn't merely distract him. I worked with him to do his work, on his level. He had a modified lesson plan that the special ed teacher developed.

Sorry, I still don’t see how it makes sense. The student can’t read at 5th grade level, he has a different lesson plan, and a dedicated teacher is brought in to work with him. Nevertheless he stays in the same class, though it doesn’t seem there’s much interaction with the rest of the students, or any overlap in the curriculum. You get him to read a text at second grade level, and that’s integration and support.

I weep for the kids in that school. The only solution I see is a voucher system, so they at least have a chance to get an education somewhere else.

Disgusting and shameful that you think that having to work alongside people with disabilities is a tragedy. They are entitled to full inclusion. It is not an indication that the government should be giving YOU money that a child with (mild) special needs is allowed to stay in their educational environment. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Aren’t you filled with righteous indignation?
Yes, it is shameful that kids reading three grades ahead are put in the same class with kids barely sounding out words. And it is a tragedy, because this setup will not help either of them, on the contrary it will hurt both. How did you decide that my child’s needs are mild?!! What does that even mean? And you have the nerve to talk about disgusting and shameful. Sped kids are not entitled to any kind of inclusion you personally come up with. We don’t decide they are entitled to a seat in an AP class and have an aid work with them on the side on the basics.
You seem to have your facts wrong, I am giving the government money, not the other way around! Every time I pay my taxes. I want a decent education in return for my child. If the school can’t deliver on it, they should get out of the way, and let another school do it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Federal education law dictates that the child DOES have the right to full inclusion. Are you completely unfamiliar with IDEA? Why are you talking about something that you don’t understand? Your child does not have the right to a segregated high achieving class. They all have the right to exposure to the grade level curriculum. If you feel that your child would benefit from being sheltered from reality and diversity, you can pay for that privilege.

My child would most definitely benefit from being sheltered from poorly performing schools. I’m going to suggest this: you send your kid to that school where education means “exposure to grade level curriculum”. Where is the accountability if all you need to do is provide exposure?
You are either silly or dishonest here trying to hide behind the federal regulations. The schools are a disaster because feds made us do it. The point about sped is just to illustrate an example of poor choices that result in a school environment that is not conducive to learning. My child has the right to a good learning environment the rich take for granted. If the public school can’t provide it, I should have the option to take that public support to the institution of my choice.

You have a right to an education, nothing more nothing less.

uh, no. You have a right to a free and appropriate education, which includes the Least Restrictive Environment.

Sadly, FAPE doesn't actually apply to all kids. It should but it doesn't. It only applies really to students with disabilities and speakers of languages other than English.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet we still have the reality that teachers and other school staff are leaving in droves. This means students who are still in public schools, whether their parents want them there or not, whether their parents wish vouchers were going to happen or not, will keep losing out. Just like patients in hospitals are losing out due to a severe nursing shortage, which is becoming worse, because dumb ass people won't get vaccinated, won't vaccinate their children, refuse to wear masks and generally let their own stupidity wreak havoc on other people like they don't have a care in the world.

I know that most people feel like the needs of their own children come before our collective responsibility to the greater social good. I personally don't hold that worldview. But you do you. I guess as long as your family gets what it believes it is entitled to, that's all that matters.

How exactly have you personally put the greater social good above the needs of your own children? This is empty virtue signaling at the highest degree. Of course talk is cheap in reality you’ve done absolutely nothing, but feel entitled to shame other parents. As if you should just send your kid to a school where 20% of kids achieve grade level proficiency, otherwise you’re selfish.

Oh, the greater social good, it’s funny how it lines up with the political agenda and talking points of the party you sympathize with! Nobody is checking if the greater social good is actually greater bs, we just have to take your word for it. How about the greater social good is the sum of goods of all individuals and we let them decide on their own what that is.

Yes, I sent my own children to a low income, low performing K-8 and high school. They both are in college on full ride scholarships. One had an SAT of 1550 and the other 1580. Low performing schools do not harm smart, hard working students. I also put the greater social good above my own needs. I teach in one of those schools instead of all the other offers I had in public schools in wealthy areas. I also spend a few thousand dollars out of my own pocket to ensure other people's children get what they need in my classroom, including tutoring any student of mine who wants it over the summer for free. What are you doing to ensure our society succeeds?

Mic drop.

I really feel you on this, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet we still have the reality that teachers and other school staff are leaving in droves. This means students who are still in public schools, whether their parents want them there or not, whether their parents wish vouchers were going to happen or not, will keep losing out. Just like patients in hospitals are losing out due to a severe nursing shortage, which is becoming worse, because dumb ass people won't get vaccinated, won't vaccinate their children, refuse to wear masks and generally let their own stupidity wreak havoc on other people like they don't have a care in the world.

I know that most people feel like the needs of their own children come before our collective responsibility to the greater social good. I personally don't hold that worldview. But you do you. I guess as long as your family gets what it believes it is entitled to, that's all that matters.

How exactly have you personally put the greater social good above the needs of your own children? This is empty virtue signaling at the highest degree. Of course talk is cheap in reality you’ve done absolutely nothing, but feel entitled to shame other parents. As if you should just send your kid to a school where 20% of kids achieve grade level proficiency, otherwise you’re selfish.

Oh, the greater social good, it’s funny how it lines up with the political agenda and talking points of the party you sympathize with! Nobody is checking if the greater social good is actually greater bs, we just have to take your word for it. How about the greater social good is the sum of goods of all individuals and we let them decide on their own what that is.

Yes, I sent my own children to a low income, low performing K-8 and high school. They both are in college on full ride scholarships. One had an SAT of 1550 and the other 1580. Low performing schools do not harm smart, hard working students. I also put the greater social good above my own needs. I teach in one of those schools instead of all the other offers I had in public schools in wealthy areas. I also spend a few thousand dollars out of my own pocket to ensure other people's children get what they need in my classroom, including tutoring any student of mine who wants it over the summer for free. What are you doing to ensure our society succeeds?

Mic drop.

I really feel you on this, PP.

It’s so lame when people sock puppet post to congratulate their own posts.

Also cringey, embarrassing and awkward.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whose idea it was to have integrated classrooms with no support.

I guess the support dwindled over time. Eons ago, I was an EA. (Called paras now?) I worked mainly with one child to manage behavior. I sat right beside him most of the day. I was able to head off any outbursts, and minimize distractions. If he was working well I could go around and help other kids with reading, or whatever they were working on.

Now, that child would be in the classroom with no support.. He would start kicking his feet.. Then drum on his desk. Then start singing. He needed someone to help him focus. Fortunately his physical outbursts were rare. But, that one kid could be quite a distraction and take up a lot of time all on his own.

Teachers need more support, period.

That’s what he would do? I have at least 6 in a class of 26 that do things like that non-stop and none are special needs students.

That was his starting point. It escalated from there. He was 5 1/2 with the maturity of a 3 year old. He was known to throw things, scream, and bite before they hired an EA for him. As I said, this was ages ago. Some might be surprised by the fact that those behaviors haven't always been tolerated. Some of the crap we see now would have had kids removed from the classroom. We were actually allowed to do that.

That kid needs to be removed from the regular class and put in a separate one. We can’t sacrifice the learning of the 25 other students for some doubtful outcome of a troubled student.

Just to show how messed up the schools are at my child’s they hired a mental health counselor, but they don’t have a science teacher.

He didn't need to be removed, he needed in class support.

As in one dedicated teacher to distract the troubled kid so that the rest can do their reading?

Sorry, but with the limited resources schools have, that’s just not a sensible approach.

What would you do? If teachers can't have the level of in class support that is needed, then maybe we need to go back to separate classrooms? Integrated classrooms without support doesn't work. Separate classrooms cause some parents to scream about inequality.

I didn't merely distract him. I worked with him to do his work, on his level. He had a modified lesson plan that the special ed teacher developed.

Sorry, I still don’t see how it makes sense. The student can’t read at 5th grade level, he has a different lesson plan, and a dedicated teacher is brought in to work with him. Nevertheless he stays in the same class, though it doesn’t seem there’s much interaction with the rest of the students, or any overlap in the curriculum. You get him to read a text at second grade level, and that’s integration and support.

I weep for the kids in that school. The only solution I see is a voucher system, so they at least have a chance to get an education somewhere else.

Disgusting and shameful that you think that having to work alongside people with disabilities is a tragedy. They are entitled to full inclusion. It is not an indication that the government should be giving YOU money that a child with (mild) special needs is allowed to stay in their educational environment. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Aren’t you filled with righteous indignation?
Yes, it is shameful that kids reading three grades ahead are put in the same class with kids barely sounding out words. And it is a tragedy, because this setup will not help either of them, on the contrary it will hurt both. How did you decide that my child’s needs are mild?!! What does that even mean? And you have the nerve to talk about disgusting and shameful. Sped kids are not entitled to any kind of inclusion you personally come up with. We don’t decide they are entitled to a seat in an AP class and have an aid work with them on the side on the basics.
You seem to have your facts wrong, I am giving the government money, not the other way around! Every time I pay my taxes. I want a decent education in return for my child. If the school can’t deliver on it, they should get out of the way, and let another school do it.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Federal education law dictates that the child DOES have the right to full inclusion. Are you completely unfamiliar with IDEA? Why are you talking about something that you don’t understand? Your child does not have the right to a segregated high achieving class. They all have the right to exposure to the grade level curriculum. If you feel that your child would benefit from being sheltered from reality and diversity, you can pay for that privilege.

My child would most definitely benefit from being sheltered from poorly performing schools. I’m going to suggest this: you send your kid to that school where education means “exposure to grade level curriculum”. Where is the accountability if all you need to do is provide exposure?
You are either silly or dishonest here trying to hide behind the federal regulations. The schools are a disaster because feds made us do it. The point about sped is just to illustrate an example of poor choices that result in a school environment that is not conducive to learning. My child has the right to a good learning environment the rich take for granted. If the public school can’t provide it, I should have the option to take that public support to the institution of my choice.

You have a right to an education, nothing more nothing less.

uh, no. You have a right to a free and appropriate education, which includes the Least Restrictive Environment.

Sadly, FAPE doesn't actually apply to all kids. It should but it doesn't. It only applies really to students with disabilities and speakers of languages other than English.

Yep, not sure PP understands what LRE is really for.