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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wonder whose idea it was to have integrated classrooms with no support.

I guess the support dwindled over time.  Eons ago, I was an EA.  (Called paras now?)  I worked mainly with one child to manage behavior. I sat right beside him most of the day.  I was able to head off any outbursts, and minimize distractions.  If he was working well I could go around and help other kids with reading, or whatever they were working on.

Now, that child would be in the classroom with no support.. He would [b]start kicking his feet..  Then drum on his desk.  Then start singing.[/b]  He needed someone to help him focus.  Fortunately his physical outbursts were rare.  But, that one kid could be quite a distraction and take up a lot of time all on his own.

Teachers need more support, period.[/quote]

That’s what he would do? I have at least 6 in a class of 26 that do things like that non-stop and none are special needs students.[/quote]

That was his starting point.  It escalated from there.  He was 5 1/2 with the maturity of a 3 year old.  He was known to throw things, scream, and bite before they hired an EA for him.  As I said, this was ages ago.  Some might be surprised by the fact that those behaviors haven't always been tolerated.  Some of the crap we see now would have had kids removed from the classroom.  We were actually allowed to do that.[/quote]

That kid needs to be removed from the regular class and put in a separate one. We can’t sacrifice the learning of the 25 other students for some doubtful outcome of a troubled student.

Just to show how messed up the schools are at my child’s they hired a mental health counselor, but they don’t have a science teacher. [/quote]

He didn't need to be removed, he needed in class support.

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As in one dedicated teacher to distract the troubled kid so that the rest can do their reading?

Sorry, but with the limited resources schools have, that’s just not a sensible approach.[/quote]

What would you do?  If teachers can't have the level of in class support that is needed, then maybe we need to go back to separate classrooms?  Integrated classrooms without support doesn't work.  Separate classrooms cause some parents to scream about inequality.

I didn't merely distract him.  I worked with him to do his work, on his level.  He had a modified lesson plan that the special ed teacher developed.[/quote]

Sorry, I still don’t see how it makes sense. The student can’t read at 5th grade level, he has a different lesson plan, and a dedicated teacher is brought in to work with him. Nevertheless he stays in the same class, though it doesn’t seem there’s much interaction with the rest of the students, or any overlap in the curriculum. You get him to read a text at second grade level, and that’s integration and support.

I weep for the kids in that school. The only solution I see is a voucher system, so they at least have a chance to get an education somewhere else.[/quote]
Disgusting and shameful that you think that having to work alongside people with disabilities is a tragedy. They are entitled to full inclusion. It is not an indication that the government should be giving YOU money that a child with (mild) special needs is allowed to stay in their educational environment. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror. [/quote]

Aren’t you filled with righteous indignation?
Yes, it is shameful that kids reading three grades ahead are put in the same class with kids barely sounding out words. And it is a tragedy, because this setup will not help either of them, on the contrary it will hurt both. How did you decide that my child’s needs are mild?!! What does that even mean? And you have the nerve to talk about disgusting and shameful. Sped kids are not entitled to any kind of inclusion you personally come up with. We don’t decide they are entitled to a seat in an AP class and have an aid work with them on the side on the basics.
You seem to have your facts wrong, I am giving the government money, not the other way around! Every time I pay my taxes. I want a decent education in return for my child. If the school can’t deliver on it, they should get out of the way, and let another school do it.[/quote]
You have no idea what you are talking about. Federal education law dictates that the child DOES have the right to full inclusion. Are you completely unfamiliar with IDEA? Why are you talking about something that you don’t understand? Your child does not have the right to a segregated high achieving class. They all have the right to exposure to the grade level curriculum. If you feel that your child would benefit from being sheltered from reality and diversity, you can pay for that privilege. [/quote]

My child would most definitely benefit from being sheltered from poorly performing schools. I’m going to suggest this: you send your kid to that school where education means “exposure to grade level curriculum”. Where is the accountability if all you need to do is provide exposure?
You are either silly or dishonest here trying to hide behind the federal regulations. The schools are a disaster because feds made us do it. The point about sped  is just to illustrate an example of poor choices that result in a school environment that is not conducive to learning. My child has the right to a good learning environment the rich take for granted. If the public school can’t provide it, I should have the option to take that public support to the institution of my choice.[/quote]

You have a right to an education, nothing more nothing less.[/quote]
uh, no. You have a right to a free and appropriate education, which includes the [b]Least Restrictive Environment.[/b][/quote]

Sadly, FAPE doesn't actually apply to all kids. It should but it doesn't. It only applies really to students with disabilities and speakers of languages other than English.[/quote]

Yep, not sure PP understands what LRE is really for.[/quote]

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