Reinstate School Resource Officers at MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It should get much more attention, that the Michigan school shooter was evaluated by social workers at school and found not to be a threat, and subsequently released back into the school where he murdered children.

We can not let this "counselors not sros" BS continue.

"Upon the parents' arrival, the school counselors asked the student "specific probing questions" about his potential for self-harm or harm toward others, Throne said. The answers he provided "led counselors to again conclude he did not intend on committing either self-harm or harm to others," according to the letter." - cnn

This seems like damning evidence against the idea that social workers can effectively stop school violence.

The damning evidence is that even without SROs things were handled just fine in MCPS. This makes it clear they aren't necessary here at least.

What in God's name are you talking about? You think mcps is a magical land where shootings won't happen? Pull your head out of your ass!
And the fact that the kid with the knife who threatened parents came back and stabbed someone THIS YEAR is proof things are NOT just fine.
Take your political agenda out to sea with yourself.

Now MCPS has had a shooting IN school and the shooter sat in a locked down classroom for 2 hours. This could have been even worse than one shot child.

Using the safety and wellbeing of kids to virtue signal and posture can't be allowed to continue. And whatever training re: these situations, it needs to change, 2 hours could have lead to many more deaths. The only person who performed well was the nurse. Put the SROs back and then arguments on that point can cease. They build relationships with kids and can be a source of intel. Public school kids deserve safety in the building. SROs enhance that. Metal detectors won't pick up everything but would be a safety enhancement too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

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Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see an anonymous poll of HS teachers about whether they think SROs were helpful or mitt.
And then an anonymous poll of students as well.

Anonymous so there’s no peer pressure involved.
Our PTA took a vote—did I want to be seen as the white person advocating for keeping SROs on a zoom call with a bunch of people I don’t know? No.

HS teacher here. I 100% want SROs back in schools. I say that as a teacher AND a parent.

Different HS teacher here. I 100% DON"T want them back. They range from divisive to useless.

Are the SROs themselves divisive, or is the political debate sparked primarily by the county council divisive? I’ve definitely seen the 2nd in action, but not the 1st.

As for useless, I’ve personally witnessed too many positive encounters with SROs to accept that accusation. Have you personally witnessed a useless SRO? If so, that would have been a good time to talk to a superior about his/her job performance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

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Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

[Anonymous]

And an additional training process. Without SRO, MCPD just sends whoever is closest who may or may not be particularly good with teens and mental health issues.

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

Right. Think about it. Would the police knowingly put a problem cop in a school and risk the liability?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

This.

Is this "bunch of" poster one troll all over this thread or more than one person? It is a fact free agenda pushing. GTFO after yesterday.

Not only was a kid shot in a MCPS for the first time yesterday, Whitman students were involved in stabbing a man to death in Bethesda recently and also just yesterday a kid brought a gun to school in Wheaton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And an additional training process. Without SRO, MCPD just sends whoever is closest who may or may not be particularly good with teens and mental health issues.

good point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

SROs get to know the kids. They become a part of the school community. They are the specially trained and specially trained to work with youth. Their positive interaction with students gives them ears on the ground to prevent problems. Having SROs in schools allows for a quick response when needed.

I hundred percent think the politics to remove SROs ignored the outstanding officers MCPD had in the program and the overwhelming benefits they brought to schools. Knives and knife attacks and now, guns and shootings are the results of taking SROs out of schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

Right. Think about it. Would the police knowingly put a problem cop in a school and risk the liability?

This is an asinine question. They sent two very problematic cops to apprehend a 5 year old down the street from me, and despite their unconscionable behavior being caught on tape, they’re both still on the force. Liability is an irrelevant concept to police departments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

It was written

… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

Right. Think about it. Would the police knowingly put a problem cop in a school and risk the liability?

This is an asinine question. They sent two very problematic cops to apprehend a 5 year old down the street from me, and despite their unconscionable behavior being caught on tape, they’re both still on the force. Liability is an irrelevant concept to police departments.

Which is why SROs are better because they are actually trained to deal with students. And before you bring up the one bad incident with the SRO, one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch, otherwise, given how many black men are in prison, we shouldn't ever allow black men in society because they spoil the bunch. See how that works?

If you don't want people to stereotype and make sweeping generalizations about one group, then at least have the intelligence to not do the same to other groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

Right. Think about it. Would the police knowingly put a problem cop in a school and risk the liability?

This is an asinine question. They sent two very problematic cops to apprehend a 5 year old down the street from me, and despite their unconscionable behavior being caught on tape, they’re both still on the force. Liability is an irrelevant concept to police departments.

Which is why SROs are better because they are actually trained to deal with students. And before you bring up the one bad incident with the SRO, one bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch, otherwise, given how many black men are in prison, we shouldn't ever allow black men in society because they spoil the bunch. See how that works?

If you don't want people to stereotype and make sweeping generalizations about one group, then at least have the intelligence to not do the same to other groups.

Exactly how many bad apples would there have to be before you would concede that the bunch is spoiled?

If there is no meaningful difference to you between bad apples in the abstract and bad apples who have almost unlimited powers, legitimated recourse to violence and are enabled and rarely held to account by the law, it is you whose analysis is lacking.

[Anonymous]

Nobody wants this except a few far-right zealots. We need to focus on educating kids not turning schools into prison.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO are fine just be prepared for a bunch of black boys leaving the schools in cuffs. Sure one or two serious incidents will be snuffed out but lots of pretend hard kids who are in minor fights and hopped up on adrenaline while wanting to look tough for the homies will disrespect the guards and get battery charges. White kids will get 2nd chances when their sorries and Sirs come out and mama pulls up in her X5.

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… and it is not backed up by Montgomery County statistics. 3% of student arrests recently were initiated by SROs. Just 3%. During the 2019-2020 school year, SROs initiated just 9 arrests, that’s less than one per high school. There will NOT be “a bunch”’of students leaving schools in cuffs… period. The SROs serve as a resource, a deterrent, a chance for positive interactions with police. The narrative you are promoting is not backed up at all by current, local statistics.

+1

Ya SROs barely do anything. This is mostly just a jobs program for cops they don't want to put on the street.

Shows you don't know anything about the program. Police have to go through a very selective application process to be SROs and schools get a say in who gets the job. They do tend to be older, and are mostly women and people of color, who have great skill at dealing with teens.

+1. There’s an additional application process. It’s misinformation like this that keeps the anti-SRO argument alive.

Like the Parkland SRO that ran away from the shooter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody wants this except a few far-right zealots. We need to focus on educating kids not turning schools into prison.

Actually many of us do. We don't live in a "safe" world and sadly we need things like SRO's and metal detectors/xray machines.