Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

There are a number of options they might have considered if they were more thoughtful and perhaps doing a more focused study rather than a county-wide review.

Regardless of the potential benefits to walkers, some at Marshall would have objected if Thru had proposed to reassign Timber Lane north of Route 29, with its low-income apartments, from McLean to Marshall, and proposed to move much of Pimmit Hills to McLean now that Pimmit Hills is getting expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

Imagine sending your child to another school based on IB/AP because of lack of opportunity for advanced instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

We moved within Fairfax county because we had the means to do so. Entirely based on school ratings and opportunities at the school, not so they wouldn't have to go to "school with poor kids".
That's an entirely inflammatory unnecessary statement.

[Anonymous]

Maybe if FCPS would focus on good instruction in the struggling schools, people would not be looking elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

That was my thought. Use Griffin and Peabody as they offer a nice cut off area for McLean. It eliminates the peninsula area of Pimmit Hills(which is surrounded by McLean boundary) and I do not think would add a lot of students.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they moving kids to west springfield from lewis?

Moving the Rolling Valley Lewis students to WSHS and moving other neighborhoods out of WSHS to make room for the Lewis kids has been the Springfield representative's biggest rezoning priority since FCPS started revising policy 8130.

So who is it? Which family supported Anderson or is close to Anderson’s family if this is the case?

We were told that she was advocating for this group because some groups can’t organize and spend time advocating like our group. It was a very surprising statement, because we are also households of busy working parents, who are federal workers, military, teachers, etc. We don’t have any more resources than this RVES pocket.

So, equity??

That doesn't make sense.

That RV neighborhood is just as wealthy as the rest of 22152 and has a similar demographic as the rest of WSHS.

DP. Whenever the school board hears that a community doesn’t want something, they immediately pretend that there is some other silent community who wants the opposite. That way, they can justify screwing over the first community.

For the most part, they just keep revising the proposals to reflect the last group of noisy parents who chewed their ear off. Not sure the end result will be anything like what they claimed they wanted to accomplish.

Comprehensive boundary review is a shitty game of musical chairs.

Every boundary review is musical chairs because every boundary review shifts seats in a zero sum environment.

That's an odd statement. How is it a zero sum environment when they get money every few years for capital projects and boundary changes can be one-way? It's not like they move kids out of every school they move kids into.

School A loses 100 kids.

School B receives the 100 kids.

-100 from school A

+

+100 to school B

=

0

Or School L loses 20 kids

+

School WS gains 80 kids

= + 60 kids

Or

School JM loses 90 kids

+

School GCM gains 60 kids

= - 30 kids

The kids don’t magically cease to exist with a boundary change. They go to a different school.

If you want to talk general patterns of population/enrollment shifting, that’s a different point all together.

DP. I know families who have ceased to exist in Fairfax county schools because of the boundary review.

Imagine uprooting your family because your kids have the slightest chance of having to go to school with poor kids. Amazing.

Who are these families that care about their kids’ education, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why McLean HD goes around Pimmit Hills? It makes no sense as it puts it on an island, while under scenario 4 there is a McLean island to the east of the Marshall HS district.

Part of Pimmit Hills walks to Marshall. Technically, if assigned, part of Pimmit Hills would walk to McLean. Instead of splitting the neighborhood, everyone is sent to Marshall. McLean doesn’t have the capacity to take the whole neighborhood, even if they dropped the Timber Lane island.

Under Scenarios 1-3 part of Pimmit Hills was supposed to go to McLean HS, so clearly they understand that a portion can walk to McLean. It seems very odd to do a complete 180.

Actually the portion that could walk to McLean has never been recommended for McLean HS. It’s a portion of Westgate that’s across Magarity from the Commons of McLean. The McLean assigned portion of Westgate are walkers. If they understood that portion, they’d have split the neighborhood by Griffith Rd. Then the Lemon Road and Westgate splits would have been more evenly split, and they’d pick up McLean walkers without losing Marshall ones.

That was my thought. Use Griffin and Peabody as they offer a nice cut off area for McLean. It eliminates the peninsula area of Pimmit Hills(which is surrounded by McLean boundary) and I do not think would add a lot of students.

Based on the Kent Garden study, it would move about 100 students from Marshall to McLean. McLean would be at 105% capacity with modulars. It would make Lemon Road about 40/60 McLean/Marshall split and Westgate a 35/65 split.

The only way I see them doing it (aside from pure apathy at appeasing any and all requests) is if Kilmer capacity can’t be resolved through Thoreau, which I don’t think is the case.

Assuming TOV gets their way and the Wolftrap/Westbriar swap is undone, Kilmer’s boundaries will essentially look like Marshall’s existing boundaries without the Stenwood cutout. That would put both Kilmer and Thoreau at around 103% each (if my math on the current Kilmer split is correct… Thru states 12% to Madison in their change log.) So they’d both be “in the clear” capacity wise.

I don’t see them pushing McLean to their capacity threshold (105%) to get Kilmer capacity under 100% but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Especially since Madison rejected modeling the Thoreau-Marshall students to Madison because they worried it would add too much capacity (it wouldn’t.)

[Anonymous]

So, KAA maps are supposed to come out before Saturday? That means Friday night at 11:59 pm this time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, KAA maps are supposed to come out before Saturday? That means Friday night at 11:59 pm this time?

What time does the KAA open house start? More like 11:45AM on Saturday.

[Anonymous]

I think you have to go to the open house to see the maps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you have to go to the open house to see the maps

That is silly.

Hopefully, parents will post the information online for all to see

[Anonymous]

Are they just going to have KAA maps or new boundaries for all the surrounding schools too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they just going to have KAA maps or new boundaries for all the surrounding schools too?

If they don’t show boundary impacts to surrounding schools, I would assume whatever is proposed in scenario 4 (sans KAA footprint) would stand.

[Anonymous]

My BRAC members do not respond , how do I get my voice heard ?