VYS Soccer - better or worse?

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I actually expect better from you implying that certain leagues are better than others and that there are different level of clubs. So if I said that two kids left for an NCSL team. What does that say? Are you saying Vienna's Red team is better that NCSL teams? What if I said that two kids left for McLean. What does that tell you?

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

[Anonymous]

Top Vienna boys are leaving for Arlington, BRYC and McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Top Vienna boys are leaving for Arlington, BRYC and McLean.

That doesn’t tell us whether they are leaving for top teams. Club tells us nothing.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I actually expect better from you implying that certain leagues are better than others and that there are different level of clubs. So if I said that two kids left for an NCSL team. What does that say? Are you saying Vienna's Red team is better that NCSL teams? What if I said that two kids left for McLean. What does that tell you?

On the contrary, though I suppose "level of clubs" is open to interpretation. Maybe "type of club" would be better.

So on the question of leagues -- I'm not trying to cast a value judgment of my own, but I guess I'm wondering what parents think. Do *they* think CCL is better, and is that where they're going? I could argue that NCSL D1 is every bit as good as ECNL RL, but in any case, I'd doubt any parents would think of that as a step up. CCL might be seen as a step up, as might EDP. Some teams are also in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

NCSL isn't likely to be seen as a step up, especially because there aren't many "A" teams in the league. If they're leaving for NCSL, they clearly have an issue with Vienna, which could mean that the NCSL team is truly better or they just think the grass is greener.

Let's try this -- we'll group clubs/teams by how parents would think of them or what they offer.

GROUP A: Other ECNL RL clubs, with the players leaving for teams that aren't likely to be in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

GROUP B: Teams that played in the USYS South Atlantic Conference or are likely to make it next year (several Doradus, one Burke but older, one ViVa but older, some GFR, some McLean). This might be a legitimate step up, like ECNL or MLS Next. (ECNL's comparative merits may be subject to debate, but if you think your kid is going to get college exposure and can make the most of it, it might have an advantage.)

GROUP C: EDP or CCL, lured by the brand name (next year's CCL lineup: Alexandria, Barca, BRYC, DC Stoddert, Herndon, LMVSC, McLean, NVSC, SYA, SYC -- some obviously B teams). You and I might not think this is a concrete step up, but some parents might.

So ... which group is getting the Vienna departees?

To be clear, I only know of departures to none of the above - top teams at ECNL or MLS Next clubs.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:So on the question of leagues -- I'm not trying to cast a value judgment of my own, but I guess I'm wondering what parents think. Do *they* think CCL is better, and is that where they're going? I could argue that NCSL D1 is every bit as good as ECNL RL, but in any case, I'd doubt any parents would think of that as a step up. CCL might be seen as a step up, as might EDP. Some teams are also in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

NCSL isn't likely to be seen as a step up, especially because there aren't many "A" teams in the league. If they're leaving for NCSL, they clearly have an issue with Vienna, which could mean that the NCSL team is truly better or they just think the grass is greener.

Let's try this -- we'll group clubs/teams by how parents would think of them or what they offer.

GROUP A: Other ECNL RL clubs, with the players leaving for teams that aren't likely to be in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

GROUP B: Teams that played in the USYS South Atlantic Conference or are likely to make it next year (several Doradus, one Burke but older, one ViVa but older, some GFR, some McLean). This might be a legitimate step up, like ECNL or MLS Next. (ECNL's comparative merits may be subject to debate, but if you think your kid is going to get college exposure and can make the most of it, it might have an advantage.)

GROUP C: EDP or CCL, lured by the brand name (next year's CCL lineup: Alexandria, Barca, BRYC, DC Stoddert, Herndon, LMVSC, McLean, NVSC, SYA, SYC -- some obviously B teams). You and I might not think this is a concrete step up, but some parents might.

So ... which group is getting the Vienna departees?

If we leave VYS at some point, it will be for Group B --- to play in a league like ECNL or MLSNext that, we think, based on the information available to us as parents, offers oue player a more intense, higher level of competition than the league that VYS plays for. We would probably do this even if our player didn't make the "top" team at that club at first try, since there would in theory at least be a pathway to getting there by advancing up the teams at the new club.

We haven't any reason to leave VYS to go to another club that plays in the same league. The coaching at VYS seems good to us, the parents are pretty low key and low drama, and the kids have fun. Early on we had some disappointment with the parity among teams in the NCLS (e.g., seasons with nearly all losses, and other seasons with nearly all large-margin wins) but as our players have gotten older the parity has improved.

[Anonymous]

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:So on the question of leagues -- I'm not trying to cast a value judgment of my own, but I guess I'm wondering what parents think. Do *they* think CCL is better, and is that where they're going? I could argue that NCSL D1 is every bit as good as ECNL RL, but in any case, I'd doubt any parents would think of that as a step up. CCL might be seen as a step up, as might EDP. Some teams are also in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

NCSL isn't likely to be seen as a step up, especially because there aren't many "A" teams in the league. If they're leaving for NCSL, they clearly have an issue with Vienna, which could mean that the NCSL team is truly better or they just think the grass is greener.

Let's try this -- we'll group clubs/teams by how parents would think of them or what they offer.

GROUP A: Other ECNL RL clubs, with the players leaving for teams that aren't likely to be in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

GROUP B: Teams that played in the USYS South Atlantic Conference or are likely to make it next year (several Doradus, one Burke but older, one ViVa but older, some GFR, some McLean). This might be a legitimate step up, like ECNL or MLS Next. (ECNL's comparative merits may be subject to debate, but if you think your kid is going to get college exposure and can make the most of it, it might have an advantage.)

GROUP C: EDP or CCL, lured by the brand name (next year's CCL lineup: Alexandria, Barca, BRYC, DC Stoddert, Herndon, LMVSC, McLean, NVSC, SYA, SYC -- some obviously B teams). You and I might not think this is a concrete step up, but some parents might.

So ... which group is getting the Vienna departees?

If we leave VYS at some point, it will be for Group B --- to play in a league like ECNL or MLSNext that, we think, based on the information available to us as parents, offers oue player a more intense, higher level of competition than the league that VYS plays for. We would probably do this even if our player didn't make the "top" team at that club at first try, since there would in theory at least be a pathway to getting there by advancing up the teams at the new club.

We haven't any reason to leave VYS to go to another club that plays in the same league. The coaching at VYS seems good to us, the parents are pretty low key and low drama, and the kids have fun. Early on we had some disappointment with the parity among teams in the NCLS (e.g., seasons with nearly all losses, and other seasons with nearly all large-margin wins) but as our players have gotten older the parity has improved.

In my experience, if your son isn't like the top one or two kids on Vienna's team, no chance of making an MLS Team in any age. Depending on the age group, you may be able to make a weaker ECNL team as some of the BRYC and McLean ECNL teams are struggling. But your kid definitely needs to be at the top of the Eagles team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

It might be accurate to say that those players left to get a foot in the door at a ECNL or MLS club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

It might be accurate to say that those players left to get a foot in the door at a ECNL or MLS club.

Or maybe they are getting their foot in the door to a club that has it's foot in the door of another club that might be able to get them into a club that plays ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

You are simply wrong. Last year, players left to play u13 at Arlington and BRYC. Other players left before U13 to join top teams at other clubs that are ecnl and mls next. Half of the players on the top boys team could play at any of those clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

It might be accurate to say that those players left to get a foot in the door at a ECNL or MLS club.

Or maybe they are getting their foot in the door to a club that has it's foot in the door of another club that might be able to get them into a club that plays ECNL.

Some people may have that approach, though I don’t think it really makes much difference and can be counterproductive for some players. Other earlier departures are driven simply by desire to play in more competitive environments or different approaches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

You are simply wrong. Last year, players left to play u13 at Arlington and BRYC. Other players left before U13 to join top teams at other clubs that are ecnl and mls next. Half of the players on the top boys team could play at any of those clubs.

Don't bite. This is a troll post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:So on the question of leagues -- I'm not trying to cast a value judgment of my own, but I guess I'm wondering what parents think. Do *they* think CCL is better, and is that where they're going? I could argue that NCSL D1 is every bit as good as ECNL RL, but in any case, I'd doubt any parents would think of that as a step up. CCL might be seen as a step up, as might EDP. Some teams are also in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

NCSL isn't likely to be seen as a step up, especially because there aren't many "A" teams in the league. If they're leaving for NCSL, they clearly have an issue with Vienna, which could mean that the NCSL team is truly better or they just think the grass is greener.

Let's try this -- we'll group clubs/teams by how parents would think of them or what they offer.

GROUP A: Other ECNL RL clubs, with the players leaving for teams that aren't likely to be in the USYS South Atlantic Conference.

GROUP B: Teams that played in the USYS South Atlantic Conference or are likely to make it next year (several Doradus, one Burke but older, one ViVa but older, some GFR, some McLean). This might be a legitimate step up, like ECNL or MLS Next. (ECNL's comparative merits may be subject to debate, but if you think your kid is going to get college exposure and can make the most of it, it might have an advantage.)

GROUP C: EDP or CCL, lured by the brand name (next year's CCL lineup: Alexandria, Barca, BRYC, DC Stoddert, Herndon, LMVSC, McLean, NVSC, SYA, SYC -- some obviously B teams). You and I might not think this is a concrete step up, but some parents might.

So ... which group is getting the Vienna departees?

If we leave VYS at some point, it will be for Group B --- to play in a league like ECNL or MLSNext that, we think, based on the information available to us as parents, offers oue player a more intense, higher level of competition than the league that VYS plays for. We would probably do this even if our player didn't make the "top" team at that club at first try, since there would in theory at least be a pathway to getting there by advancing up the teams at the new club.

We haven't any reason to leave VYS to go to another club that plays in the same league. The coaching at VYS seems good to us, the parents are pretty low key and low drama, and the kids have fun. Early on we had some disappointment with the parity among teams in the NCLS (e.g., seasons with nearly all losses, and other seasons with nearly all large-margin wins) but as our players have gotten older the parity has improved.

In my experience, if your son isn't like the top one or two kids on Vienna's team, no chance of making an MLS Team in any age. Depending on the age group, you may be able to make a weaker ECNL team as some of the BRYC and McLean ECNL teams are struggling. But your kid definitely needs to be at the top of the Eagles team.

He is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rumor is that the 08, 07 and 06 boy's Red teams were decimated by departures.
*The info was 2nd hand

2010 lost at least one good one too. Boy played a year behind our son and is now playing ECNL a year early for another club it seems.

There will come a point in a player’s development where he might want to play ECNL or MLS Next. Vienna just doesn’t offer that so there will always be some players that move on.

You Vienna parents like to tell yourself that anyone who leaves goes to ECNL or MLS Next teams, but it's just not true. Stop lying to yourselves. Of course there are a few, but geez.

So where are they going?

This discussion seems to be getting down to specific teams and specific players. That is not somewhere IMO these discussions should ever go.

True. Could we say it more generally? Leagues? Level of clubs?

I think we have said this before. Younger VYS boys on top teams have left for and are playing on ecnl and mls next teams. I am not aware of departures for any top team kids for other leagues or teams. Doesn’t mean they have not occurred.

ECNL does not start until U13. Whoever told you that younger boys left for ECNL teams does not know that there are no ECNL teams in younger age groups.

You are simply wrong. Last year, players left to play u13 at Arlington and BRYC. Other players left before U13 to join top teams at other clubs that are ecnl and mls next. Half of the players on the top boys team could play at any of those clubs.

Perhaps close to half could play for at least one ECNL or MLS Next club, but my guess would be that only one or two kids could play for any of them.