2024 Democratic National Convention

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I finished my 12th meeting today with Arab American and Muslim leaders - mostly in swing states.

I’ve spoken with several hundred community leaders.

They see the war and the killings - and won’t be voting for Kamala Harris.

Arab American support for Kamala has collapsed

Sure you did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Penn-Wharton and Yale Law School vs.

Imagine thinking any of these rich elitists on either side gives a damn about regular Americans. They despise regular Americans. They pay big bucks so they and their kids never come in contact with regular Americans. Blue team, red team…it’s the same team. And we’re suckers for buying into this oligarch war-mongering illusion of choice theater.

Chris Cuomo of all people just nailed it. Red team, blue team…it’s the same team. These conventions are all prole theater with the same fat cats, mega corps, and Wall Street crooks controlling the show.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because Palestinians have no voice at all in the GOP. The GOP and Republican platform is that Palestinians should have no voice. The GOP has been for lobbying against University presidents who do not crack down on pro-Palestinian protests. They don't believe that pro-Palestinians should be allowed to protest on university campuses and that university presidents who are not fully pro-Israel should be ousted from their positions.

Palestinian protestors know that their message will be received with either a blank wall or with armed official or unofficial resistance.

When his is the official party line, do you think pro-Palestinian protesters would have any chance of moving the needle even a micrometer at the RNC?
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/07/gop-takes-aim-at-palestine-at-republican-national-convention/

Stefanik has led the fight to oust university presidents over their alleged refusal to crack down on pro-Palestine campus protests and she bragged about helping to force some of them to resign.

In May, Stefanik delivered an address to members of the Israeli Knesset where she called for “crushing” the Palestine solidarity movement and “wiping those responsible for October 7th off the face of the earth.” In the speech Stefanik referred to student activists as “pro-Hamas apologists” who are protesting “in a paroxysm of blood lust.”

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Anonymous wrote:Since this is a discussion, and I’ve been clapping all along, yesterday hit different.
•I now feel it might be going on too long. The momentum we felt was unexpected and we were surprised and elated, better to end on a high note and have us wanting more.
•I was a little let down by Walz’s speech - I have heard it before and hoped it would be different
•While it is joyful, they are overusing the word joy

The main problem last night was Clinton went off script and for about 30 minutes too long. On the other hand, that was probably his last major public speech, so he milked it.

I thought Pete and Walz were fine/good.

With Biden, the Clintons and Pelosi, we are seeing a true transition to Harris, Pete, Jeffries etc. I agree that last night didn't have the same juju as the first two nights, but I expect tonight to end strong.

it was fine, his teleprompter broke. love that guy.

early voting is in a couple weeks. its fine.

trump seems like he doesnt feel like doing it anymore. esp combined w almost dying. the only thing to gain is leverage in court cases. i think everyone feels that kamala is inevitable.

You mean like Hillary was in 2016?

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

how many Palestinian-Americans did the RNC allow?

More important, what is the Trump plan for Palestine? (hint: push them into the sea so Jared can develop the beachfront)
What is the Biden-Harris plan? Get aid into Gaza, a cease fire, get the remaining hostages home and work towards a permanent two state solution.

Please explain to me why Palestinians and Arab-Muslims think Trump would be better?

They believe Trump can push to stop the war.

Let’s be honest. Do you think Hamas or Bibi will be more afraid of an America led by Kamala and Tim or Trump?

(I’m not going to even mention eyeliner Vance because he won’t inspire any fear in anybody).

These groups in particular will haggle and bargain over price of bread if you go to Israel or West Bank.. Both these groups have certain things in common and being passionate and stubborn to compromise and fold is one of those things. Blinker may be Jewish but he lacks the fire and temperament of someone like a Schumer or Anthony Weiner or even Bernie. He is a fence sitter and a sitting duck. Taking both sides of the conflict makes you a nobody. These 2 parties in the conflict need someone unpredictable and borderline insane like Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Why weren't there protests at the RNC, hmmm?

Because they’re protesting the current sitting administration’s support of the war.

This is like asking why the BLM protests in 2020 protested Trump outside the White House.

The protestors want to agitate the sitting administration. It’s reported Presidents can hear the protestors outside /commotion from inside the WH. It’s obvious the Protestors against the DNC have gotten some inroads namely the Vp choice because Shapiro wanted to quell protests with force

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Trump changed. He was talking about deaths earlier this year and pushing for an end to the war. Now he’s really ramping up the rhetoric even using Palestinian as a slur and calling Schumer Palestinian ? but I think he’s doing this to get Jewish donations but once he’s in, he will push for an end.

Trump didn’t start one new war for Washington from 2016-2020. That’s why they hate him.

[Anonymous]

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This is like asking why the BLM protests in 2020 protested Trump outside the White House.

Because he's a big old racist who supports using the machinery of the law to execute innocent black people. (See, for example, the Central Park Five.) He's exactly the thing that BLM opposes. So the protests make sense.

Pro-Palestine groups trying to empower the Republicans is very much different.

[Anonymous]

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Trump changed. He was talking ...

The noises coming out of Trump's pie hole are completely meaningless. Saying he changed or didn't change based on those noises is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:The conventions are always a bit long for me. But I've enjoyed the differences in the two this year. The differences are quite stark, in fact.

From last night, I thought Clinton . .. it wasn't his best. And went long. But he won't be doing many more of these so it was good to see.

I liked Jeffries a lot. The Boyfriend reference was hysterical. He's smart as a whip, charismatic, and a good speaker.

I also LOOOOOVED Pete. He was my candidate in 2020 and watching him you can see why.

+1

I love Pete also.

Jeffries gave a terrible speech. What are you talking about?

NP. I enjoyed it very much. I especially liked the reference to the old boyfriend who just won't go away, aka stalker. It was a fitting analogy to the donald.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Penn-Wharton and Yale Law School vs.

Imagine thinking any of these rich elitists on either side gives a damn about regular Americans. They despise regular Americans. They pay big bucks so they and their kids never come in contact with regular Americans. Blue team, red team…it’s the same team. And we’re suckers for buying into this oligarch war-mongering illusion of choice theater.

Chris Cuomo of all people just nailed it. Red team, blue team…it’s the same team. These conventions are all prole theater with the same fat cats, mega corps, and Wall Street crooks controlling the show.

It’s amazing how Cuomo finally tells the truth now that he’s left CNN.

The defense and pharmaceutical industries own all the cable news networks (CNN, MSNBC, Fox but especially MSNBC and CNN) and guess who pushed for lower cost prescriptions for seniors from Canada and pushed for no new wars and getting along with Putin to fix up the Middle East/Syria, and avoid a new Cold War, inc. for Washington?

The deep state hates Trump esp Big Pharma and War, Inc that own all the commercials and news stations with their paid advertising

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

how many Palestinian-Americans did the RNC allow?

More important, what is the Trump plan for Palestine? (hint: push them into the sea so Jared can develop the beachfront)
What is the Biden-Harris plan? Get aid into Gaza, a cease fire, get the remaining hostages home and work towards a permanent two state solution.

Please explain to me why Palestinians and Arab-Muslims think Trump would be better?

They believe Trump can push to stop the war.

Let’s be honest. Do you think Hamas or Bibi will be more afraid of an America led by Kamala and Tim or Trump?

(I’m not going to even mention eyeliner Vance because he won’t inspire any fear in anybody).

These groups in particular will haggle and bargain over price of bread if you go to Israel or West Bank.. Both these groups have certain things in common and being passionate and stubborn to compromise and fold is one of those things. Blinker may be Jewish but he lacks the fire and temperament of someone like a Schumer or Anthony Weiner or even Bernie. He is a fence sitter and a sitting duck. Taking both sides of the conflict makes you a nobody. These 2 parties in the conflict need someone unpredictable and borderline insane like Trump.

Trump and Netanyahu are in bed with each other. And Netanyahu has been funding Hamas. Let's get real here, this war is totally manufactured to keep BiBi out of jail and to continue to enrich Hamas. Neither of these "leaders" give a damn about their people, the damage to human lives, the human toll or anything else.

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Protestors dump bugs on the Indiana DNC delegation's breakfast table -- because this will help Palestine somehow? Initial reports were maggots, but it looks like they were probably crickets.

https://www.axios.com/local/indianapolis/2024/08/21/protest-dnc-indiana-delegation-bugs-breakfast

[Anonymous]

Nobody “hates” 2024 Trump. He’s a gelded empty suit. He’s morphed into Jeb and Mitt Romney.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The DNC can throw a nice party with the Obamas, Clintons, Oprah, and musical acts, but if they invite multiple Jews to speak and can’t make room for a single Palestinian-American, I’ll sit out this election. If that means Trump again, so be it.

Then you are a moron and can reap the consequences. This is not a platform for Palestinian A to speak out about their issues, I say this as someone who has been and is a staunch Gaza supporter.

As for Jewish speakers, I saw Josh Shapiro but he was there as a governor, not as a person of Jewish faith. Also, politics is never about 100% this or that, it’s about timing. Like it or not but politics is never about idealism, there is a whole lot of gray and a smidge of black and white.

Name call all you want; it’s the DNC who are cowards and decided that kowtowing to Zionists was their priority, to the point of denying even a single Palestinian-American the opportunity to speak. They’ll lose my vote if they can’t fix that.

Go take a hike. After tumultuous 8-9 months of infighting within the party, we have reached this fragile unity, people like you can sit on the sidelines and sulk all you want. We don’t want your vote, you can reminisce about the good old days when Trump is back.

And it will be worse. Harris at least tries to walk the very thin line with being supportive of Israel while commiserating over Arab deaths. She has come out and verbally chastised Netanyahu about the wide-scale Arab death toll and the need for humanitarian aid to the Gazans.

Trump is a very, very pro-Israel supporter and has said nothing about protection or support for the Arabs. Trump has made no objections to Israel's defense of their borders and the singleminded determination of the Israelis to destroy Hamas even if it means horrific Arab civilian sacrifices.

So, while there are Arab sympathetic objectors to the current administration, voting for Trump or sitting out the election will actually be worse for US support of Palestinians. PP who says that Harris would lose your support, do you really realize that Trump will be worse for the Palestinians than Harris? She at least supports humanitarian aid for the Gazans and decries the violence against civilians that Hamas is using as human shields. Trump will not verbally support the Arabs, does not discourage Israeli violence against Palestinians and does not support humanitarian aid to Gaza.

So, why do you think that you supporting Trump or sitting out the election carries the message you want to send?

Trump changed. He was talking about deaths earlier this year and pushing for an end to the war. Now he’s really ramping up the rhetoric even using Palestinian as a slur and calling Schumer Palestinian ? but I think he’s doing this to get Jewish donations but once he’s in, he will push for an end.

Trump didn’t start one new war for Washington from 2016-2020. That’s why they hate him.

He didn't need to "start" any wars - he was giving China and Russia everything they wanted.

What wars has Biden started? Where are US troops deployed abroad fighting wars?