APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

The entirety of the traffic changes are 2 intersections now with stop signs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m supportive of Nottingham parents but I don’t think getting students to speak is a good strategy. The students are cute but the school board won’t take them seriously. One or two kids is fine but otherwise the board should have heard from the parents.

We must've been watching a different meeting - there were like 4 kids and 15 parents?

Still haven't heard a peep at a school board meeting from anyone supporting the plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m supportive of Nottingham parents but I don’t think getting students to speak is a good strategy. The students are cute but the school board won’t take them seriously. One or two kids is fine but otherwise the board should have heard from the parents.

We must've been watching a different meeting - there were like 4 kids and 15 parents?

Still haven't heard a peep at a school board meeting from anyone supporting the plan.

Since when has that stopped APS from doing what it wants to do anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

There’s no one way traffic around the school. A lot of what helps is reduced traffic around the school now that it’s nit overcrowded so we have fewer drivers. Which is what would change with the swing space.

Also you seem really uninformed cuz this problem predates the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

All of that, while tragic, sounds like years ago. Because the Nottingham mother died long, long before the recent changes. And has nothing to do with pedestrian traffic at the school. The other pedestrian deaths were not school kids or parents and also predate the traffic changes. Seems strange to be saying how dangerous it is with all those new stop signs and traffic calming.

This was debated ad nauseum upthread. You are correct that the most recent death was not Nottingham related- it happened early on a weekend morning when there was hardly any traffic on the road. The road is just that deadly - the sight lines are just that terrible. And yes there is traffic calming now in the worst stretch of it (only), and cars still whip through. I walk the road daily and don’t trust that all cars will stop. Sycamore St is also also terrible and likely to get more traffic both walking and cars from this proposal.

What traffic calming?

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

You avoided the question. Is there any other elementary school in APS with such a horrendous traffic fatality record?

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

Well maybe yes and maybe no. The stop signs are very new. There isn’t one way traffic so not sure where you got that from. But even IF istop signs are working, it’s working based on current traffic levels. Will it also work with a huge increase in cars and buses into this area??? No one knows the impact that will have cuz no one has studied it but those of us who live here and know this area and walk these streets have reason to be concerned. But you sound very optimistic based on your complete lack
of knowledge or care.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

All of that, while tragic, sounds like years ago. Because the Nottingham mother died long, long before the recent changes. And has nothing to do with pedestrian traffic at the school. The other pedestrian deaths were not school kids or parents and also predate the traffic changes. Seems strange to be saying how dangerous it is with all those new stop signs and traffic calming.

This was debated ad nauseum upthread. You are correct that the most recent death was not Nottingham related- it happened early on a weekend morning when there was hardly any traffic on the road. The road is just that deadly - the sight lines are just that terrible. And yes there is traffic calming now in the worst stretch of it (only), and cars still whip through. I walk the road daily and don’t trust that all cars will stop. Sycamore St is also also terrible and likely to get more traffic both walking and cars from this proposal.

What traffic calming?

Exactly. I wonder what the county traffic engineers think of this proposal. They probably don’t even know about it.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope former McK the tell is their school taken away. they're now happy at NES's misfortune.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope former McK the tell is their school taken away. they're now happy at NES's misfortune.

Probably right. Their disdain for their neighbors is unmatched.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

The entirety of the traffic changes are 2 intersections now with stop signs.

That no one stops at.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

Be specific, please. Tell me how and where you’re seeing these unhinged parents? What or the things that they’re actually saying do you consider unhinged. I’m honestly wondering.

Bring receipts, with quotes please. Don’t just default to the Nottingham boogey man everyone here is hating on, but whom I have yet to see in any of these posts.