APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

Omg you are insufferable. Explain that to my kids - you are switching schools and the school is losing all your teachers for the good of humanity! C’mon.

Of course we’ll manage, but doesn’t mean we can’t try to prevent it or make it a better situation. Between virtual Covid learning, hybrid and then changing schools, there’s been a lot of transitions. So why don’t you just shut it.

If you will "of course" manage, stop making it all out to be like it's the end of the world - and stop the fearmongering your children will endure.

How about trying something more like: the kids at Nottingham are going to go to two different schools (THREE YEARS from now), and you and a bunch of your friends and classmates will be going to ______ instead. They have lots of great teachers there and some of your teachers might go there, too; and you'll have lots of new kids to meet and new friends to make. But Nottingham has a lot of un-used space that the school system needs to use for other things; so they're making this change.

The older kids won't even be impacted because they'll be done with elementary by the time this is implemented. For the younger ones, parents could start telling them that they'll attend NES until "x" grade, then they move up to "____" school for "y" grades, then they move on to middle school in 6th!
And they'll be doing it with lots of kids they already know, even though not everyone will move on to the same school.

You know.... for the good of humanity.

You don’t get to tell me how to raise my children, internet stranger.

There’s a lot more to this proposal than simply moving students to nearby schools. That has implications not just in Nottingham, but on those schools, the neighborhoods, traffic and yes even the schools coming to use Nottingham as swing space.

Even if they do close Nottingham, APS has zero answers as to how to keep current teachers and attract new ones between the decision and when it closes. That doesn’t just cause issues for my kids in 3 years when it closes, but every year between now and then.

Please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself. We just want answers. And we are trying to get APS to provide them.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

OMG. What an impenetrable bubble you live in! You think you're the only people in Arlington spending half their income on a mortgage to live close to work and send their kids to good schools and can't afford private??!! You think your little neighborhood is so frickin' unique and therefore entitled to whatever suits you best regardless of how it affects others.

The disservice parents like you are doing to your children is being so damned selfish, narrow-focused, short-sighted, and petty. The wording PP used to describe the situation to a kid?? Seriously?! You make it sound unfathomable that Oakridge and Patrick Henry families were able to survive the changes they endured. Yeah, yeah, I know....they didn't completely shut-down either of their neighborhood schools so it isn't the same at all blah blah blah.

I don't care whether they shut-down NES as a neighborhood school and use it for swing space or not. I don't care that you don't like the idea or even that you pushback or question it. The WAY you all do it is what matters, what shows your kids how to behave and respond in the face of that "adversity" you are all enduring. Good grief. If this is the extent of adversity your children face in life, you should be more grateful and less petty. But, I guess the higher one climbs, the harder the fall and the more you have, the more difficult losing any piece of it is. I genuinely feel bad for you, having such limited ability to endure "adversity."

What was is that? Questioning APS reasoning? Asking the school board for data? Nobody is pointing fingers at other schools for them to close instead and take on this burden in their community.

I’m sorry you can’t see that through your hatred.

I have no hatred about any of this. Why do you refuse to get it? Try attitude, tone, word choices, phrasing, pretending to try to see it from other communities' perspectives/how the different options impact others. Not the questions themselves.

So it’s not the questions, but how they are phrased that bothers you?

Ok smart guy/lady/troll: what questions would you ask and how would you ask them if this was your school?

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

OMG. What an impenetrable bubble you live in! You think you're the only people in Arlington spending half their income on a mortgage to live close to work and send their kids to good schools and can't afford private??!! You think your little neighborhood is so frickin' unique and therefore entitled to whatever suits you best regardless of how it affects others.

The disservice parents like you are doing to your children is being so damned selfish, narrow-focused, short-sighted, and petty. The wording PP used to describe the situation to a kid?? Seriously?! You make it sound unfathomable that Oakridge and Patrick Henry families were able to survive the changes they endured. Yeah, yeah, I know....they didn't completely shut-down either of their neighborhood schools so it isn't the same at all blah blah blah.

I don't care whether they shut-down NES as a neighborhood school and use it for swing space or not. I don't care that you don't like the idea or even that you pushback or question it. The WAY you all do it is what matters, what shows your kids how to behave and respond in the face of that "adversity" you are all enduring. Good grief. If this is the extent of adversity your children face in life, you should be more grateful and less petty. But, I guess the higher one climbs, the harder the fall and the more you have, the more difficult losing any piece of it is. I genuinely feel bad for you, having such limited ability to endure "adversity."

What was is that? Questioning APS reasoning? Asking the school board for data? Nobody is pointing fingers at other schools for them to close instead and take on this burden in their community.

I’m sorry you can’t see that through your hatred.

I have no hatred about any of this. Why do you refuse to get it? Try attitude, tone, word choices, phrasing, pretending to try to see it from other communities' perspectives/how the different options impact others. Not the questions themselves.

So it’s not the questions, but how they are phrased that bothers you?

Ok smart guy/lady/troll: what questions would you ask and how would you ask them if this was your school?

OK. You win.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

OMG. What an impenetrable bubble you live in! You think you're the only people in Arlington spending half their income on a mortgage to live close to work and send their kids to good schools and can't afford private??!! You think your little neighborhood is so frickin' unique and therefore entitled to whatever suits you best regardless of how it affects others.

The disservice parents like you are doing to your children is being so damned selfish, narrow-focused, short-sighted, and petty. The wording PP used to describe the situation to a kid?? Seriously?! You make it sound unfathomable that Oakridge and Patrick Henry families were able to survive the changes they endured. Yeah, yeah, I know....they didn't completely shut-down either of their neighborhood schools so it isn't the same at all blah blah blah.

I don't care whether they shut-down NES as a neighborhood school and use it for swing space or not. I don't care that you don't like the idea or even that you pushback or question it. The WAY you all do it is what matters, what shows your kids how to behave and respond in the face of that "adversity" you are all enduring. Good grief. If this is the extent of adversity your children face in life, you should be more grateful and less petty. But, I guess the higher one climbs, the harder the fall and the more you have, the more difficult losing any piece of it is. I genuinely feel bad for you, having such limited ability to endure "adversity."

What was is that? Questioning APS reasoning? Asking the school board for data? Nobody is pointing fingers at other schools for them to close instead and take on this burden in their community.

I’m sorry you can’t see that through your hatred.

I have no hatred about any of this. Why do you refuse to get it? Try attitude, tone, word choices, phrasing, pretending to try to see it from other communities' perspectives/how the different options impact others. Not the questions themselves.

So it’s not the questions, but how they are phrased that bothers you?

Ok smart guy/lady/troll: what questions would you ask and how would you ask them if this was your school?

OK. You win.

Apology accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

OMG. What an impenetrable bubble you live in! You think you're the only people in Arlington spending half their income on a mortgage to live close to work and send their kids to good schools and can't afford private??!! You think your little neighborhood is so frickin' unique and therefore entitled to whatever suits you best regardless of how it affects others.

The disservice parents like you are doing to your children is being so damned selfish, narrow-focused, short-sighted, and petty. The wording PP used to describe the situation to a kid?? Seriously?! You make it sound unfathomable that Oakridge and Patrick Henry families were able to survive the changes they endured. Yeah, yeah, I know....they didn't completely shut-down either of their neighborhood schools so it isn't the same at all blah blah blah.

I don't care whether they shut-down NES as a neighborhood school and use it for swing space or not. I don't care that you don't like the idea or even that you pushback or question it. The WAY you all do it is what matters, what shows your kids how to behave and respond in the face of that "adversity" you are all enduring. Good grief. If this is the extent of adversity your children face in life, you should be more grateful and less petty. But, I guess the higher one climbs, the harder the fall and the more you have, the more difficult losing any piece of it is. I genuinely feel bad for you, having such limited ability to endure "adversity."

What was is that? Questioning APS reasoning? Asking the school board for data? Nobody is pointing fingers at other schools for them to close instead and take on this burden in their community.

I’m sorry you can’t see that through your hatred.

I have no hatred about any of this. Why do you refuse to get it? Try attitude, tone, word choices, phrasing, pretending to try to see it from other communities' perspectives/how the different options impact others. Not the questions themselves.

So it’s not the questions, but how they are phrased that bothers you?

Ok smart guy/lady/troll: what questions would you ask and how would you ask them if this was your school?

OK. You win.

Apology accepted.

LOL. No apology. Just conceding to your limited abilities.

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I’m supportive of Nottingham parents but I don’t think getting students to speak is a good strategy. The students are cute but the school board won’t take them seriously. One or two kids is fine but otherwise the board should have heard from the parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

Omg you are insufferable. Explain that to my kids - you are switching schools and the school is losing all your teachers for the good of humanity! C’mon.

Of course we’ll manage, but doesn’t mean we can’t try to prevent it or make it a better situation. Between virtual Covid learning, hybrid and then changing schools, there’s been a lot of transitions. So why don’t you just shut it.

If you will "of course" manage, stop making it all out to be like it's the end of the world - and stop the fearmongering your children will endure.

How about trying something more like: the kids at Nottingham are going to go to two different schools (THREE YEARS from now), and you and a bunch of your friends and classmates will be going to ______ instead. They have lots of great teachers there and some of your teachers might go there, too; and you'll have lots of new kids to meet and new friends to make. But Nottingham has a lot of un-used space that the school system needs to use for other things; so they're making this change.

The older kids won't even be impacted because they'll be done with elementary by the time this is implemented. For the younger ones, parents could start telling them that they'll attend NES until "x" grade, then they move up to "____" school for "y" grades, then they move on to middle school in 6th!
And they'll be doing it with lots of kids they already know, even though not everyone will move on to the same school.

You know.... for the good of humanity.

"For the good of humanity?" Oh spare us. Who's the drama queen?

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

All of that, while tragic, sounds like years ago. Because the Nottingham mother died long, long before the recent changes. And has nothing to do with pedestrian traffic at the school. The other pedestrian deaths were not school kids or parents and also predate the traffic changes. Seems strange to be saying how dangerous it is with all those new stop signs and traffic calming.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

All of that, while tragic, sounds like years ago. Because the Nottingham mother died long, long before the recent changes. And has nothing to do with pedestrian traffic at the school. The other pedestrian deaths were not school kids or parents and also predate the traffic changes. Seems strange to be saying how dangerous it is with all those new stop signs and traffic calming.

This was debated ad nauseum upthread. You are correct that the most recent death was not Nottingham related- it happened early on a weekend morning when there was hardly any traffic on the road. The road is just that deadly - the sight lines are just that terrible. And yes there is traffic calming now in the worst stretch of it (only), and cars still whip through. I walk the road daily and don’t trust that all cars will stop. Sycamore St is also also terrible and likely to get more traffic both walking and cars from this proposal.

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God I hope the school gets shut down. These whiners are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:God I hope the school gets shut down. These whiners are the worst.

And I hope you always end up in the longest checkout line at the grocery store.

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Anonymous wrote:God I hope the school gets shut down. These whiners are the worst.

And I hope you always end up in the longest checkout line at the grocery store.

This is… the lamest response ever.

Someone call whine-1-1! 🤓