Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the trial set to April 15? Where?

No, April 15 is when the grand jury will hear the evidence to see if there’s enough for her to be indicted in the circuit court… if they move forward which hopefully they will, they will then set a trial date. No way will that be anytime soon.

I don’t know where you found this info. I was there yesterday, and there’s no info in the VA court records that show a date in april 15.
But the judge yesterday already approved the process to move forward. That’s what was done yesterday.

That’s because this was moved to circuit court, where they don’t publish the records for you to be able to see. There will be no more updates over on the general District Court records. WTOP reported about the grand jury on April 15.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is going on about flipping the AP and offering her a plea deal. That can be picked apart just like offering her citizenship (after some jail time) as part of the plea.

BB was federal law enforcement. I could make the case that it is in the feds interests to put away this guy for life. He killed two people.

Plea deals are pretty routine. A state cannot offer US citizenship.

It's in everyone's interests to put him away. Will require solid proof that he was the stabber to do so.

People like him operate with a world view that rules don't apply to them. There may be other antisocial acts or abuse of power at IRS. Again, would likely take someone coming forward. That is not in the jurisdiction of the Commonwealth of VA.

I think everyone understands that a state can't offer citizenship, the federal government would have to do it.

[Anonymous]

I see the "CSI effect" in these posts.

There is certainly probably cause to arrest him. There are bodies and he was there.

There are plenty of holes in his story. Plenty of fishy facts -- gun range; affair; phones wiped. I am sure there are more.

He had motive. JR did not.

A jury could convict. Of course, better to have the AP flip, so they are trying that.

Not a given a jury would convict, but definitely a possibility. They don't need an eye witness; that typically doesn't happen.

Yes, the fact the AP will tell the same story is an issue, but the jury could also find her not credible, in on the murders, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I have so many questions about the second gun and the need for the AP to use it...

*Why would BB, a trained LEO with a service weapon on him which he had already used once, need assistance from his employee to access a second gun and finish off the "intruder" when he could have easily done that himself? What possible reason could he have thought up to give authorities for the need for assistance from the AP?

*Obviously, having the AP shoot the second gun was part of BB's plan, but how was BB planning to explain to authorities why his employee knew the location of the gun, the combination of the safe, and how to use the gun? It can't be common practice for households that employ au pairs and have gun safes with guns in them to instruct the au pair on how to access and use the gun. You might instruct them on how to use an alarm system or dial 911 but teach them how to access a gun? Doesn't make sense.

*It seems like BB wanted the AP to be complicit in the shooting, which is why he took her to the gun range to train her on how to use the gun, subsequently purchased a gun for her to use, told her how to access it, and then told her to use it on Joe. But what convoluted reason could he have possibly given her for why she needed to do that in the first place? Was he thinking it would somehow make him personally less culpable if there was a second shooter?

Make it make sense!

It isn't just that he was incapacitated by the first shot. But the fact that JR couldn't have posed a real danger, if they had time to go get a gun from a safe. That was the killer admission by her. That that time elapsed and she had time to do that (versus running away).

I have had the same questions. If they thought Ryan was still a threat even after being shot/ blinded, why did they take the time for her to go to the safe get the code to open the safe, retrieve the gun and shoot it instead of him just shooting again. It just doesn’t make sense.

It makes perfect sense if you think of it more like a gang initiation. She would have reason to keep silent.

Aren't Law Enforcement Officers are trained to keep shooting until they have neutralized the threat? So, it really makes no sense for BB to stop with one shot... unless he is claiming he was in a physical fight with JR or JR knocked BB's gun away. I haven't heard that. So, the only other reason for BB to seek help from the AP to finish the job of killing JR is for her to get her hands dirty as well.

Since BB knows that HE stabbed CB, and AP knows that BB stabbed CB --- BB needed to bring AP into the crime as much as he was in it. She had to be willing to kill for him and then they would both claim self-defense.

Yep. And she did not realize her claim would be somewhat neutralized by being the 2nd shot. He was incapacitated already.

It's going to be hard to PROVE that he was the one communicating with JR, even if true. I think charging her first and trying to gain her testimony was the most prudent approach, especially since her visa was expiring. If she left and went back to Brazil would have been an even higher chance of BB skating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see the "CSI effect" in these posts.

There is certainly probably cause to arrest him. There are bodies and he was there.

There are plenty of holes in his story. Plenty of fishy facts -- gun range; affair; phones wiped. I am sure there are more.

He had motive. JR did not.

A jury could convict. Of course, better to have the AP flip, so they are trying that.

Not a given a jury would convict, but definitely a possibility. They don't need an eye witness; that typically doesn't happen.

Yes, the fact the AP will tell the same story is an issue, but the jury could also find her not credible, in on the murders, etc.

They are trying for the strongest case possible, clearly. As her case moves toward trial it may all become more real to her. She gains little by covering for him, they have no future anyway, she cannot remain here.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone confirm her bond was denied this morning?

[Anonymous]

More outlets are picking up the story re: prelim.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13264289/au-pair-accused-murder-plot-virginia.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://imgur.com/a/w87p8fN

Here is an image of the safe where the second gun was retrieved. It appears to be a dial style safe. First, in the chaos of the moment, we are supposed to believe the AP can correctly dial in the combination quickly? Second, why would your AP ever need to know your gun safe combination? Was BB shouting it out to her? Did she already have it memorized? Was is conveniently left open that morning? A lot of questions.

This is interesting. Irs supplies its special agents with gun safes. I’m irs, but in a different office than bb. The safes we’re issued are selected to facilitate frequent use.

IRS folks put a lot of thought into the safe storage of firearms. I’d be interested to know if he had another safe in the house for daily use. This one wouldn’t fly for daily use.

This is another odd detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, if BB was trying to make it look like Joe stabbed CB, wouldn't Joe's fingerprints have to be on the knife? Somebody's fingerprints have to be on that knife. Even if BB wiped them off, how was he planning to tie the knife to Joe?

Maybe it was Joe's knife. Maybe whoever set it up told him come over at set time "the door will be unlocked" and come in with a knife to make it more exciting. Maybe whoever set it up (BB) made her cell phone unavailable so she couldn't call for help. He comes in room shoots JR then begins stabing CB. AP comes in but JR is still alive. BB is busy killing CB while possibly fighting off injured JR and instructed AP to get gun. Just a random thought.

[Anonymous]

So many unanswered questions. Especially about CB not having clothes on. That would have to be perfectly timed by BB for Joe to show up when she was in the shower. And how hard would it have been to take her clothes off her after she was wounded?

Another horrifying thought is the amount of time that elapsed between just CB and Joe before the others showed up. What did they both think was going on? Did he think he was role playing and she thought she was actually being assaulted?

I know no one has answers. I assume so much of this timeline doesn't make sense because we don't know the evidence. I hope LE has it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if BB was trying to make it look like Joe stabbed CB, wouldn't Joe's fingerprints have to be on the knife? Somebody's fingerprints have to be on that knife. Even if BB wiped them off, how was he planning to tie the knife to Joe?

Maybe it was Joe's knife. Maybe whoever set it up told him come over at set time "the door will be unlocked" and come in with a knife to make it more exciting. Maybe whoever set it up (BB) made her cell phone unavailable so she couldn't call for help. He comes in room shoots JR then begins stabing CB. AP comes in but JR is still alive. BB is busy killing CB while possibly fighting off injured JR and instructed AP to get gun. Just a random thought.

Seems plausible but re: one detail, I think he wanted her to be involved to guarantee her silence. Not hard at all to wipe his prints and put knife in Joe's hand to get his prints on it.

He's not as smart as he likes to think he is but they are really having to work for it to build a homicide case re: CB.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many unanswered questions. Especially about CB not having clothes on. That would have to be perfectly timed by BB for Joe to show up when she was in the shower. And how hard would it have been to take her clothes off her after she was wounded?

Another horrifying thought is the amount of time that elapsed between just CB and Joe before the others showed up. What did they both think was going on? Did he think he was role playing and she thought she was actually being assaulted?

I know no one has answers. I assume so much of this timeline doesn't make sense because we don't know the evidence. I hope LE has it.

LE might have Ring footage.

It is all grim.

I've often wondered if CB was coerced into the scene with JR as a "birthday present" for BB, his bday was the day before the murders. What CB and JR thought was going on was a ruse. I don't think there is any evidence that JR "assaulted" her or anyone else, ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many unanswered questions. Especially about CB not having clothes on. That would have to be perfectly timed by BB for Joe to show up when she was in the shower. And how hard would it have been to take her clothes off her after she was wounded?

Another horrifying thought is the amount of time that elapsed between just CB and Joe before the others showed up. What did they both think was going on? Did he think he was role playing and she thought she was actually being assaulted?

I know no one has answers. I assume so much of this timeline doesn't make sense because we don't know the evidence. I hope LE has it.

I think it's likely CB thought she was being assaulted, I think JR was playing role of attacker as part of the Fantasy he thought he was providing. JR may have thought her fear was play acting. CB didn't work a 9-5 so there might not have been a reason for her to even be awake yet. Daughter going to zoo husband at work so may have been sleeping in.

[Anonymous]

The profile on the dating app was created on CB’s computer, ok! But someone must have communicated with JR before he got to the house, or even to set up a date.
With both CB’s and JR’s phones in hand, I find it hard to believe this is a difficult thing to figure out.

[Anonymous]

I miss my friend Joe. He definitely had some unusual kinks and liked rough sex, but he always got 100% explicit consent prior and also during the act.