Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

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Lol. You have no idea how much he did or didn’t drink. This whole thing is bullshit. He’s qualified and will be confirmed.

can't believe you're a real person

I am and a woman and a Democrat who voted for Hillary. Also a lawyer. This campaign is transparently political and the allegations are drafted to be vague guilt-by-association nonsense with timing that is ridiculously and transparently politically-motivated. It’s a campaign to discredit him based on him being at parties where bad things may have happened. You are a sheep and a part of the brainless mob for believing this stuff.

Thank you. It is ludicrous.
So, what is her evidence? Dates? Witnesses? Proof?

It hasn't even hit the major news sites yet and you're discounting it because additional information hasn't been presented? I think it's pretty clear that you've already decided what you will and will not believe regardless of what is said.

The affidavit is online. What should I be waiting for? You don’t think waiting for literally the day before he testifies shows how politically motivated this campaign is? Sorry, the man was nominated long ago and has been sitting on the bench of an important court for years. This is total bullshit.

Where you just as upset about the GOP withholding 90% of his written documents? Or that they released 56,000 pages one day before the senate judiciary hearings?

Lol, really moving the goal posts aren’t we? Do you know how to argue? Do you understand logic? They released an unprecedented amount of documents. Kavanaugh has a long record so, yes, a lot of the documents were reasonably subject to the objection that they were protected by executive privilege. Once again, I’m a lawyer. The GOP objection was reasonable.

Sure, they released an unprecedented amount of documemts. But they also withheld an unprecedented amount of documents. And you may think it's reasonable, but the members on the SJC, who were also lawyers, do not.

And the one moving the goalposts is you.

Your logic:

Avenatti and Dr. Ford coming forward at the last minute?

Bullshit.
GOP releasing 56,000 pages at the last minute? T

Totally reasonable!

I said the withholding was reasonable, not the timing. In any event, docs were released over time and the fact that a portion came out the day before is not remarkable in the context of congressional hearings that you probably have zero experience (though I do). There’s been plenty of time that’s passed and I haven’t heard about anything earth shattering in those docs. You’re probably one of the idiots who was whipped into a frenzy over Hillary’s dumb emails, too. OMG they’re on Huma’s computer! Stop the presses.

There's more of your stellar logic at work. Yes, I was whipped into a frenzy over Hillary's emails, and at the same time, I am opposed to the Trump/GOP agenda. Brilliant! /s

And more goalpost moving, too.

So you basically admit that you don’t understand how congressional investigations work. Great.

I'm seeing how hypocrisy and evasion works for you.

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Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Because she was a teenager? Were you ever a teenager?

In answer to your question, no, the affidavit doesn't address that question.

Yes, I was a teenager and if I saw guys gang raping a girl there's no way in hell I would choose to go to parties with them.

There you go. You would make different choices than she did. Does that make her a liar, or an idiot, or just a different person than you?

Oh come on, your assertion is insane. No woman in her right mind would continue to hang out and go to parties with guys whom she believed participated in gang rape.

Would a 30 year old? Probably not. On the other hand, teenagers do dangerous things all the time. They think the bad thing won't happen to them.

Come one. Teen girls don't choose to hang out with rapists.

Did teenagers think this was rape in '82? They knew not to drink the punch. They would talk about it in the halls at school. But did they know it was rape? Or was it just something they didn't want to have happen to them?

Undoubtedly, all her friends went to the parties, and there was lots going on at the parties besides the most depraved activities. It was probably a lot of fun if you stayed clear of the super-aggressors. It was their high school social world — they were around these people at other places too.

Do you refuse to go bars because some other patron might have ill-intentions?

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

THIS x10000. It’s like out of some old school leftist propaganda playbook. It’s like it jumped from Jews-are-kinda-weird to Jews-are-sacrificing-children-and-drinking-their-blood.

Agreed. Women in this area are incredibly nasty and vindictive. I recently put an item up for sale on a crafting forum with well over 1,000,000 members. It's a rare, coveted item my cousin picked up for me and my price is very reasonable. I got ONE snide comment and that person turned out to be from the DC area. Out of over a million members. Color me not surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

Alternately, the Republicans were so blinded by his rabid partisanship, hard right-wing views, and extreme views on executive power that they nominated a candidate with a deeply troubling personal and professional background, because they didn't do their due diligence.

Which scenario is more likely?

It’s not deeply troubling. It’s the environment of the Kennedy swing seat opening that is making everyone grasp at straws. I could whip shit up about literally anyone in this situation.

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What's wrong with you. Lets us go with your argument. Based on statements by multiple people Kavanaugh there are possibility that

1. Kavanaugh is totally innocent
2. Kavanaugh is complicit to gang-rape, sexual assault and attempted rape, if not rapist worse.

There is no harm in denying the SCJ position to Kavanaugh, even if 1 is true, because as a country we have denied many eminent judges the same position for various reasons. The country does not owe him/Trump/GOP a SC position.

However, if there is any truth to 2, it would do enormous damage to the SC, along with enromous damage every girl (and boy) who might be feeling scared to report horrible incidences against powerful people.

There is a middle ground too, if the party in power is willing. If they want to they can open a FBI investigation to get to the borrom of these allegations by forcing everyone named in news report, testimony and statements to provide interview under oath. That way we do not sit a very tainted person on SC and yet do not refuse him a SC seat based on "mere" allegations.

This is a frightening thought - that there is “no harm” in denying this person a SCOTUS seat if he is innocent.
So, we are OK with any accusation - with no real evidence - to cause any person to lose an opportunity to which that person is eminently qualified?
You are ok with mere accusations to ruin a person’s life? Because, that is exactly what is happening here.

The truth is.... if these people were REALLY interested in FBI investigations, they could have gone about doing so in the proper way. They could have brought their claims forward, when this nominee was announced, presented their claims to the committee and had the FBI investigate as part of their background investigation. But, that was not the goal here. The goal was to present allegations, after the hearings were done, to delay and attempt to derail this process.
I can predict what would happen with an FBI investigation - they would find no evidence to support or deny the claims made. Because there is none. They would collect statements, present them to the committee, and we would be exactly where we are now. Except months down the road because the DEMOCRATS have chosen to play games and not follow regular procedure.

Esteemed positions that effect every person in the country that are privileges to be appointed to? Yes. People elected to the Supreme Court should be squeaky clean, see Gorsuch. Avenatti himself said he's been approached by hundreds of women wanting to accuse Trump/other R's but he vets them. Kavanaugh was a jerk in high school, I don't really want an 80s high school bully on the SC.

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

Yet it was one of the very first pieces of information we had when the first accuser came forward. Mark Judge confessed to his girlfriend that these things were happening when Brett and himself were friends in high school. After that, it was only a matter of time before at least one rape victim and witness associated with their circle came forward.

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

If you told me the political circus of the last year and a half was fiction, I would have totally believed you. Truth is (sometimes) stranger than fiction.
No one wants to believe the Kavanaugh debacle because it is just horrible all around, for everyone involved. That doesn't mean, however, that we should avoid an fair and thorough investigation into these allegations.
Also, BTW, a lot of (young, black, poor) men are held accountable--by many conservative judges--for the rest of their lives for acts they committed as 17 year olds. I don't see why Kavanaugh ought to be held to a lower standard.

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Some of y'all's victim-blaming is starting to sound like the Taliban. Under Shari'a law, the testimony of the woman about her rape is not enough. What she needs is the corroborating eye-witness testimony of 4 males to accuse her rapist. Is that what you'd like to see in America?

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

THIS x10000. It’s like out of some old school leftist propaganda playbook. It’s like it jumped from Jews-are-kinda-weird to Jews-are-sacrificing-children-and-drinking-their-blood.

Agreed. Women in this area are incredibly nasty and vindictive. I recently put an item up for sale on a crafting forum with well over 1,000,000 members. It's a rare, coveted item my cousin picked up for me and my price is very reasonable. I got ONE snide comment and that person turned out to be from the DC area. Out of over a million members. Color me not surprised.

I don’t know how compelling that anecdote is but you seem like a nice person who crafts and I’m glad you’re here.

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Lol. You have no idea how much he did or didn’t drink. This whole thing is bullshit. He’s qualified and will be confirmed.

can't believe you're a real person

I am and a woman and a Democrat who voted for Hillary. Also a lawyer. This campaign is transparently political and the allegations are drafted to be vague guilt-by-association nonsense with timing that is ridiculously and transparently politically-motivated. It’s a campaign to discredit him based on him being at parties where bad things may have happened. You are a sheep and a part of the brainless mob for believing this stuff.

sorry, don't believe you

LMAO. Go ask Jeff to check my IP. I posted tons in favor of Hillary. Is it really so unbelievable that I can think for my damn self and see that this campaign is vague and baseless. I’m a woman who can think for herself, thank you very much. I read and think critically and can see this latest #metoo campaign for what it is.

This poster asked other posters to ask me to check the poster's IP address. Two posters asked. So I checked and this poster has claimed to be a Hillary supporter in the past. However, the poster also claims to have been impressed by the Jordan Peterson videos and to have "seen the light" as a result. The poster also support the "Walk Away" movement which doesn't really exist.

Jeff, has she only claimed to be a Hillary supporter in the past or her behaviors (original posting supporting Hillary, defending Hillary/praising Hillary on other post) in the past proves she is a Hillary supporter. I can say I am Trump supporter multiple time on posts while questioning all kind of crap policies by his administration here. That would not make me a Trump supporter, rather would make me a fake to buy in Trump supporters trust. Please respond. And thanks for what you do!

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What exactly is the difference between a "train" and threesome or some other variation of group sex? I remember in the early 90's threesomes becoming somewhat in vogue. I even had a friend who had sex with two guys at once (and no, she wasn't drugged or tricked into it). What is the difference between a train and this? And what makes a train equivalent to gang rape whereas other forms of group sex are just kinky behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

And yet, for someone who grew up in the area, in the prep school bubble, it's entirely believable. Because it has happened many times. Because I've seen it happen. Because I know so many smarmy lawyers just like Kav who have done the same.

OP here- on the other hand, if this is true then the GOP made the most tragically comical pick for SC. Of all the choices, they pick a gang rapist?!? I’m a conservative and this is dang frustrating! And no I’m not saying the allegations are “comical” so crazies relax

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What's wrong with you. Lets us go with your argument. Based on statements by multiple people Kavanaugh there are possibility that

1. Kavanaugh is totally innocent
2. Kavanaugh is complicit to gang-rape, sexual assault and attempted rape, if not rapist worse.

There is no harm in denying the SCJ position to Kavanaugh, even if 1 is true, because as a country we have denied many eminent judges the same position for various reasons. The country does not owe him/Trump/GOP a SC position.

However, if there is any truth to 2, it would do enormous damage to the SC, along with enromous damage every girl (and boy) who might be feeling scared to report horrible incidences against powerful people.

There is a middle ground too, if the party in power is willing. If they want to they can open a FBI investigation to get to the borrom of these allegations by forcing everyone named in news report, testimony and statements to provide interview under oath. That way we do not sit a very tainted person on SC and yet do not refuse him a SC seat based on "mere" allegations.

This is a frightening thought - that there is “no harm” in denying this person a SCOTUS seat if he is innocent.
So, we are OK with any accusation - with no real evidence - to cause any person to lose an opportunity to which that person is eminently qualified?
You are ok with mere accusations to ruin a person’s life? Because, that is exactly what is happening here.

The truth is.... if these people were REALLY interested in FBI investigations, they could have gone about doing so in the proper way. They could have brought their claims forward, when this nominee was announced, presented their claims to the committee and had the FBI investigate as part of their background investigation. But, that was not the goal here. The goal was to present allegations, after the hearings were done, to delay and attempt to derail this process.
I can predict what would happen with an FBI investigation - they would find no evidence to support or deny the claims made. Because there is none. They would collect statements, present them to the committee, and we would be exactly where we are now. Except months down the road because the DEMOCRATS have chosen to play games and not follow regular procedure.

Was it frightening to you too that merruick Garland was denied a Supreme Court seat?

I supported Merrick Garland, and this has nothing to do with Merrick Garland's situation. Kavanaugh is being accused of sexual assault. Garland was denied his seat because of political machinery.

But If Kavanaugh is denied the seat because of sexual assault allegations, the claim that you and others are floating is that it is because of political machinery. I happen to think that is complete BS but the fact remains, nobody is entitled to a seat on the Supreme Court. Everyone is entitled to a day in court before the state acts on any allegation - that has not been denied to Kavanaugh (creey bastard though he is).

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

And yet, for someone who grew up in the area, in the prep school bubble, it's entirely believable. Because it has happened many times. Because I've seen it happen. Because I know so many smarmy lawyers just like Kav who have done the same.

OP here- on the other hand, if this is true then the GOP made the most tragically comical pick for SC. Of all the choices, they pick a gang rapist?!? I’m a conservative and this is dang frustrating! And no I’m not saying the allegations are “comical” so crazies relax

Assuming this was true, how were they supposed to know they were picking a gang rapist?

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Anonymous wrote:This is almost too outrageous to even be believable. It’s like someone said “let’s come up with a shady sexual allegation to make him go away.” And that didn’t work so then they said “let’s try again just to bolster the first one.” Then when that didn’t work they said “screw it, let’s go for broke. Let’s say he’s actually a serial gang rapist.” I mean, this is like every liberal dystopian fantasy come to life

And risk jail? You are you saying she risked jail for this. No. Just no.