The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:What show is WL Book Club watching after this?

Sucession

Spring 2023 need something like Mare of Easttown to bridge the gap.

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I think the senior di grasso becomes a parallel to the godfather. He may seem frail, but don’t underestimate him.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting interview with Aubrey Plaza on the Still Watching podcast today.

She says that Harper is not attracted to Cameron at all, he represents pretty much everything she hates, and the more she learns about him the more she dislikes him.

She says that a lot of Harper’s anger at Ethan about the night with Cameron is about how he is behaving so differently with Cameron than he does around her. Like with her he is withdrawn, unadventurous. He won’t even break his routines to have sex with her, he seems so disinterested in her. But with Cameron he’s doing molly and staying up all night? Contrast this with Harper’s night in Noto where, despite taking an edible she remains 100% the same person and is focused on getting home and communicating with Ethan.

Also says she thinks of the show like a 7 hour movie because of how she read the scripts (all at once) and that she is “scared” of the finale.

I agree I think she does see him flirting with her and it just disgusts her further. I think what other people have read as 'flirting back' is more like incredulity that he's giving her eyes in front of Daphne. I see no version of events where they hooked up. But it is telling that in Noto Harper says that Ethan won't cheat on her and is right and even when faced with evidence he did she is skeptical and does seek out his version and I think does believe him although she's angry about the general events that DID happen. In contrast Ethan is faced with this minor moment of her absence and goes full paranoid psycho even though it would be ENTIRELY out of her character to get with Cameron on multiple levels. It just confirms what Harper is already mad about, that Ethan is all about Cameron. He is viewing the entire trip through Cameron's viewpoint not Harper. She is an incidental character in his vacation story. Something she has picked up on but he has not.

The preview for next week makes it seem like something definitely happened.

It's so infuriating that Ethan denies Harper physical affection of any kind yet gets insanely jealous of a hint of Cameron flirting. Harper is the pawn and it's about time she made a move.

Their relationship is dead, do not resuscitate. In the end, the contrast with Daphne and Cameron's highly problematic but also affectionate and loving relationship is instructive and will help her make the necessary break. If he doesn't end up dead first.

She won’t, remember last season when that wife just decided to sacrifice all her happiness and fulfillment and stay with the jerk? Yep.

I don't think that relationship is comparable to Harper and Ethan, if for no other reasons than

1) Harper is gainfully employed and can walk away and maintain a good life
2) Ethan is complicated and has darkness but he is not the petulant man child that Shane is/was
3) Harper is both more comfortable in and simultaneously a lot less attached to opulent wealth than Rachel was

H/E are a lot more adult than S/R for whatever that is worth.

I think a lot of this comes from the fact that Harper was already married to Ethan when the wealth arrived. She wasn't in it for the money, and if anything she sees it causing problems for them.



So, I don't think Harper decides to suck it up for the comfortable lifestyle. I think they either reconcile (maybe as they try to hide Cameron's body after Ethan kills him semi-accidentally) or Harper leaves him.

I am kind of finding myself rooting for Ethan and Harper to make it now

I think Ethan accidentally drowns next week.

Ugh I was so nervous when he went running solo/swimming. That'd kind of be a less satisfying death though? We're expecting a big fight between Harper/Cameron and it's a pure accident on his own?

I mean, it's just a guess! We'll see what happens. My predictions are:
- ethan
- quentin
- jack
-greg

Mine are

- Lucia
- Quentin

I think:
- Nonno
- Greg

I was very worried for Nonno at that crazy house of women!

We haven't talked about that - what was up with that? I have to admit that I thought it was hugely cringey to just drive up to this random house and expect the family to be thrilled to see their very distant relatives that immigrated to the US generations ago. I felt bad for Nonno, but I also thought the whole idea was questionable. Maybe with Lucia to translate, but even then.

It shows Nonno's arrogance. The reunion he had in his mind was not based on any reality and normal people know that and wouldn't do what they did. He is so wrapped up in himself and his own world - think about his belief that his wife was not bothered by his affairs, that he didn't approach this in any reasonable way.

This is a whole thing in the Italian American community -- going to Italy to trace your roots and look for living relatives. But I think the Di Grassos experience is actually very common. Especially when the family you find are pretty rural, and you don't speak any Italian.* It absolutely is arrogant and these people do not think through what it must be like to just be living your life and then have a group of foreigners who don't even speak your language show up AT YOUR HOME and demand not only your time but expect to fulfill their emotional needs. It's an extremely weird expectation and very entitled.

* Showing up not only without a translator (and keep in mind that they didn't put much effort into locating a translator), but with almost no Italian language skills at all was the part that was most offensive to me. My Italian is middling at best, but I would have been able to handle that situation a million times better. My experience is that Italians tend to be pretty grateful towards efforts to speak their language, and that even if you can't fully converse in Italian, having all your greetings, common sayings, and then key vocabulary in the language goes a looooong way to getting along well with Italians, even in more rural areas. Also, if you have Italian heritage, learning that amount of Italian would not even be hard or time consuming because there is so much random Italian floating around. Like if you grew up with an Italian mother or grandmother, you don't know how to say mille grazie or mi dispiaci, just sort of intuitively? Come on. Albie I'll forgive because he's three generations removed and he's young, but it is a joke to me that Bert and Dom didn't have any Italian and couldn't even be bothered to listen to a few Duo Lingo courses on the plane.

Totally the fact that they didn't even google how to say 'we are the Di Grassos from American our grandparents lived here and we wanted to say hello' was insane. Like did they look up BONJOURNO!? They knew nothing, it was embarassing.

That said I think that the bolded is a pretty unkind take on it. Plenty of people love getting access to a piece of their history and plenty of people don't. But this movement towards people suppressing all efforts to communicate with others at the risk of offending is just going to turn the whole world into Wall-E. They showed up, they were asked to leave, they did! No harm no foul. They made arrogant decisions that set themselves up for failure but the inherent idea I do not think is bad.

My point was that Nonno is arrogant and he handled this situation as an arrogant, somewhat narcissistic person would. He was expecting an emotional homecoming without doing any work to communicate with these people. Like the pp said, imagine just showing up to some random person's house out of the blue and expecting something from them. It's childish and delusional just like his impenetrable belief that his wife was not bothered by his numerous affairs despite his son explaining in clear words how painful it was for his mother and the family. How easily Nonno brushed that off so easily and that speaks volumes about it. It's more meaningful that his brief moments of cute old manness.

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Does anyone else think that Mia might be one of the killers (accidentally or on purpose). She starts out as an afterthought character, but really starts taking charge as the week progresses. It seems to be born out of getting an audience from playing the in the piano lounge. Even Lucia says I've created a monster. I don't think she gets in a spat with Valentina, given that Valentina was at the beach, clueless, when the body was discovered. Mia either defends herself against Giuseppe or defends Lucia against someone and they run off with some cash. So out of the two, she's really the aggressive one.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think that Mia might be one of the killers (accidentally or on purpose). She starts out as an afterthought character, but really starts taking charge as the week progresses. It seems to be born out of getting an audience from playing the in the piano lounge. Even Lucia says I've created a monster. I don't think she gets in a spat with Valentina, given that Valentina was at the beach, clueless, when the body was discovered. Mia either defends herself against Giuseppe or defends Lucia against someone and they run off with some cash. So out of the two, she's really the aggressive one.

I find this very plausible. I am the person fixated on the frescoes in the credits. Mia's fresco is the Sphinx. In the Greek myth, the sphinx was a monster (ahem) that demanded the answer to a riddle and strangled the responder if they couldn't answer correctly. Oedipus finally answered correctly and then the Sphinx threw herself off a cliff to her death. There are a lot of other meanings/symbolism associated with the Sphinx - enigma, mystery, power, omniscience.

There is so much foreshadowing and symbolism in this season that maybe it means nothing, but there is my theory to chew on.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think that Mia might be one of the killers (accidentally or on purpose). She starts out as an afterthought character, but really starts taking charge as the week progresses. It seems to be born out of getting an audience from playing the in the piano lounge. Even Lucia says I've created a monster. I don't think she gets in a spat with Valentina, given that Valentina was at the beach, clueless, when the body was discovered. Mia either defends herself against Giuseppe or defends Lucia against someone and they run off with some cash. So out of the two, she's really the aggressive one.

Maybe Mia somehow kills Cameron for not paying Lucia.

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One thing about Mia is that she is a state of growing/transition, whereas most characters are in a state of being stuck. She had never prostituted (is that a verb?) before but over the course of the week is not only like "ok, this isn't so bad and I like the money" but also decides to start using sex in other ways to get what she wants. That might not be the kind of "growth" you think of as positive, but contrasted with other characters, Mia is in a place where she feels like she's gaining more power and is solving problems. She was boohooing over some guy in the first episode, and now she's doing exactly what she wants to do (performing music) with some decent reviews. She seems pretty comfortable with the compromises she's had to make to do this and I think she's feeling pretty good.

One theme on the show is the compromises people make in life, to get what they need or what they want. There are a lot of characters this season struggling with what they are willing to do. Like Dom struggling with either compromising his marriage to pursue the sex he wants, or compromising his sexual desires to have the family life he wants (this decision is likely already made for him, and he's still struggling). Daphne has been explicit about the compromises she's made for her marriage and family (and access to a certain lifestyle) and also says she's pretty happy with them (sometimes her face says something else, but only for a split second). Portia contemplated a compromise with Albie but then went for broke with Jack and paid for it. Lots of variation on this theme here, but few people seem as content with their compromises as Mia.

I feel that either she is going to be made to see the ugly side of the compromise she's made, or she's going to be shown as someone who is happy because she's willing to accept that compromise is necessary and as long as you value what you get more than what you lose (which at the moment she definitely does), there's no point in crying over it. If the latter, I could also see her serving as an example to someone who is struggling with that same conclusion -- Valentina maybe, or Harper -- to go for the thing they want even if it means giving up something they are supposed to be more careful with, according to social mores.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Mia is that she is a state of growing/transition, whereas most characters are in a state of being stuck. She had never prostituted (is that a verb?) before but over the course of the week is not only like "ok, this isn't so bad and I like the money" but also decides to start using sex in other ways to get what she wants. That might not be the kind of "growth" you think of as positive, but contrasted with other characters, Mia is in a place where she feels like she's gaining more power and is solving problems. She was boohooing over some guy in the first episode, and now she's doing exactly what she wants to do (performing music) with some decent reviews. She seems pretty comfortable with the compromises she's had to make to do this and I think she's feeling pretty good.

One theme on the show is the compromises people make in life, to get what they need or what they want. There are a lot of characters this season struggling with what they are willing to do. Like Dom struggling with either compromising his marriage to pursue the sex he wants, or compromising his sexual desires to have the family life he wants (this decision is likely already made for him, and he's still struggling). Daphne has been explicit about the compromises she's made for her marriage and family (and access to a certain lifestyle) and also says she's pretty happy with them (sometimes her face says something else, but only for a split second). Portia contemplated a compromise with Albie but then went for broke with Jack and paid for it. Lots of variation on this theme here, but few people seem as content with their compromises as Mia.

I feel that either she is going to be made to see the ugly side of the compromise she's made, or she's going to be shown as someone who is happy because she's willing to accept that compromise is necessary and as long as you value what you get more than what you lose (which at the moment she definitely does), there's no point in crying over it. If the latter, I could also see her serving as an example to someone who is struggling with that same conclusion -- Valentina maybe, or Harper -- to go for the thing they want even if it means giving up something they are supposed to be more careful with, according to social mores.

Interesting take. Any thoughts on the Ethan/Albie/Albie/Ethan concept?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a spoiler in the poster for the series. Can you spot it?

Tanya is driving away ALONE and disguised.

But that's her Peppa Pig outfit from the ep where they rent the Vespa. She wore it again?

Greg was already dead. That's why she's alone on the Vespa in that outfit.

The Vespa she rode with Greg was silver.

This is a different Vespa in the poster. Also, Tanya and Portia brought all their luggage to Quentin’s palazzo.

It’s just a marketing poster. Graphic design colorednit and out her on solo. She is not getting made up again and riding off.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Mia is that she is a state of growing/transition, whereas most characters are in a state of being stuck. She had never prostituted (is that a verb?) before but over the course of the week is not only like "ok, this isn't so bad and I like the money" but also decides to start using sex in other ways to get what she wants. That might not be the kind of "growth" you think of as positive, but contrasted with other characters, Mia is in a place where she feels like she's gaining more power and is solving problems. She was boohooing over some guy in the first episode, and now she's doing exactly what she wants to do (performing music) with some decent reviews. She seems pretty comfortable with the compromises she's had to make to do this and I think she's feeling pretty good.

One theme on the show is the compromises people make in life, to get what they need or what they want. There are a lot of characters this season struggling with what they are willing to do. Like Dom struggling with either compromising his marriage to pursue the sex he wants, or compromising his sexual desires to have the family life he wants (this decision is likely already made for him, and he's still struggling). Daphne has been explicit about the compromises she's made for her marriage and family (and access to a certain lifestyle) and also says she's pretty happy with them (sometimes her face says something else, but only for a split second). Portia contemplated a compromise with Albie but then went for broke with Jack and paid for it. Lots of variation on this theme here, but few people seem as content with their compromises as Mia.

I feel that either she is going to be made to see the ugly side of the compromise she's made, or she's going to be shown as someone who is happy because she's willing to accept that compromise is necessary and as long as you value what you get more than what you lose (which at the moment she definitely does), there's no point in crying over it. If the latter, I could also see her serving as an example to someone who is struggling with that same conclusion -- Valentina maybe, or Harper -- to go for the thing they want even if it means giving up something they are supposed to be more careful with, according to social mores.

Interesting take. Any thoughts on the Ethan/Albie/Albie/Ethan concept?

Why can't you just let us talk about the show pp? What are you getting from this silly taunting?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a spoiler in the poster for the series. Can you spot it?

Ethan is smiling for the first time ever.

Is he dead and in tech book heaven? Or thrilled he killed his frenemy Cam?

Ethan’s cute when smiling. Too bad he never does. He’s always seething or quick with the put downs. How exhausting to live with someone like that.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Mia is that she is a state of growing/transition, whereas most characters are in a state of being stuck. She had never prostituted (is that a verb?) before but over the course of the week is not only like "ok, this isn't so bad and I like the money" but also decides to start using sex in other ways to get what she wants. That might not be the kind of "growth" you think of as positive, but contrasted with other characters, Mia is in a place where she feels like she's gaining more power and is solving problems. She was boohooing over some guy in the first episode, and now she's doing exactly what she wants to do (performing music) with some decent reviews. She seems pretty comfortable with the compromises she's had to make to do this and I think she's feeling pretty good.

One theme on the show is the compromises people make in life, to get what they need or what they want. There are a lot of characters this season struggling with what they are willing to do. Like Dom struggling with either compromising his marriage to pursue the sex he wants, or compromising his sexual desires to have the family life he wants (this decision is likely already made for him, and he's still struggling). Daphne has been explicit about the compromises she's made for her marriage and family (and access to a certain lifestyle) and also says she's pretty happy with them (sometimes her face says something else, but only for a split second). Portia contemplated a compromise with Albie but then went for broke with Jack and paid for it. Lots of variation on this theme here, but few people seem as content with their compromises as Mia.

I feel that either she is going to be made to see the ugly side of the compromise she's made, or she's going to be shown as someone who is happy because she's willing to accept that compromise is necessary and as long as you value what you get more than what you lose (which at the moment she definitely does), there's no point in crying over it. If the latter, I could also see her serving as an example to someone who is struggling with that same conclusion -- Valentina maybe, or Harper -- to go for the thing they want even if it means giving up something they are supposed to be more careful with, according to social mores.

Interesting take. Any thoughts on the Ethan/Albie/Albie/Ethan concept?

How could that be plausible given how they got to the island- completely different circumstances. Could you elaborate on how you think this is possible?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Mia is that she is a state of growing/transition, whereas most characters are in a state of being stuck. She had never prostituted (is that a verb?) before but over the course of the week is not only like "ok, this isn't so bad and I like the money" but also decides to start using sex in other ways to get what she wants. That might not be the kind of "growth" you think of as positive, but contrasted with other characters, Mia is in a place where she feels like she's gaining more power and is solving problems. She was boohooing over some guy in the first episode, and now she's doing exactly what she wants to do (performing music) with some decent reviews. She seems pretty comfortable with the compromises she's had to make to do this and I think she's feeling pretty good.

One theme on the show is the compromises people make in life, to get what they need or what they want. There are a lot of characters this season struggling with what they are willing to do. Like Dom struggling with either compromising his marriage to pursue the sex he wants, or compromising his sexual desires to have the family life he wants (this decision is likely already made for him, and he's still struggling). Daphne has been explicit about the compromises she's made for her marriage and family (and access to a certain lifestyle) and also says she's pretty happy with them (sometimes her face says something else, but only for a split second). Portia contemplated a compromise with Albie but then went for broke with Jack and paid for it. Lots of variation on this theme here, but few people seem as content with their compromises as Mia.

I feel that either she is going to be made to see the ugly side of the compromise she's made, or she's going to be shown as someone who is happy because she's willing to accept that compromise is necessary and as long as you value what you get more than what you lose (which at the moment she definitely does), there's no point in crying over it. If the latter, I could also see her serving as an example to someone who is struggling with that same conclusion -- Valentina maybe, or Harper -- to go for the thing they want even if it means giving up something they are supposed to be more careful with, according to social mores.

Interesting take. Any thoughts on the Ethan/Albie/Albie/Ethan concept?

How could that be plausible given how they got to the island- completely different circumstances. Could you elaborate on how you think this is possible?

I'm pretty sure PP is just making fun of all of us discussing the show by putting forth something completely inane to see if they can get people to discuss it. Mature!

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a spoiler in the poster for the series. Can you spot it?

Ethan is smiling for the first time ever.

Is he dead and in tech book heaven? Or thrilled he killed his frenemy Cam?

Ethan’s cute when smiling. Too bad he never does. He’s always seething or quick with the put downs. How exhausting to live with someone like that.

I think so too.

Everyone goes on and on about Theo James, but he's not my cup of tea. I don't think he is blinding handsome like people keep saying. His head is too skinny/small, eyes are way too close together and he has pointier features.

I prefer a stronger, broader jaw and a bigger build. Give me a Hemsworth.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a spoiler in the poster for the series. Can you spot it?

Ethan is smiling for the first time ever.

Is he dead and in tech book heaven? Or thrilled he killed his frenemy Cam?

Ethan’s cute when smiling. Too bad he never does. He’s always seething or quick with the put downs. How exhausting to live with someone like that.

I think so too.

Everyone goes on and on about Theo James, but he's not my cup of tea. I don't think he is blinding handsome like people keep saying. His head is too skinny/small, eyes are way too close together and he has pointier features.

I prefer a stronger, broader jaw and a bigger build. Give me a Hemsworth.

oh and I'm a sucker for blue eyes which he does not have.