2 found dead at Rob Reiner's house; possibly Rob and his wife

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

People have a right to freedom. It would be kidnapping if you just put people away behind locked doors against their will. They have to be at imminent risk to harm themselves or others or completley unable to care for themselves before you can take their rights away. That is why many are against the ICE detainments. Snatching people off the street and locking them away isn't really the sign of a funcational society. There are places in the world where there are even fewer human rights and families can have a family member with a significant illness or disability locked away.

Well at some point society has the weigh the rights of the individual against the rights of the general population.

That will never happen. People wouldn’t tolerate what that actually looks like.

Yes, let's hand more power over to domestic abusers so they can have their battered girlfriends/wives locked up for being "a threat to themselves or ohers". "Doc, you see I've been unemployed for a few years and the labor market is just terrible out there you know...but she has all these panic attacks...and she just..well, you know how women are...it's just nag, nag nag...get a job, get a job...blah blah blah...but you see, she just won't stop hyperventilating in the middle of the night or freaking out about the amount of debt we're in....she blames me....women...you know how they are..glad she'll be safe and sound in this place, though...for a while...she's really starting to scare the kids with all her wild eyed yelling, shouting and crying---she used to be so soft when we first met..and now she's just out of control..I mean I worry about what she might do to herself and the kids....she needs to be...you know...structure, medicine...some groups....I'll take care of the house she bought us and in a month or so, however long it takes, I'll come back and get her. I mean, at some point we have to weigh my rights, the kids rights, society's rights....against hers."

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Anonymous wrote:If we didn't try to keep these people alive that would solve the problem. E.g. no narcan, no treatment to keep them out of depression and ready to k*ll.

Depression and addiction isn’t always permanent goodness gracious. Some people do change.

Too bad so sad if they don't change and kill someone?

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When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

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When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

+1 million. It's insanity to think it's just fine for the severely mentally ill and long term addicts to be living on the streets. Their poor defenseless victims pay the price.

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Anonymous wrote:Kathy Griffin said that Nick had schizophrenia. Would not be surprising.

I assumed this was the case. Makes sense.

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When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

+1 million. It's insanity to think it's just fine for the severely mentally ill and long term addicts to be living on the streets. Their poor defenseless victims pay the price.

+2 million. Totally agree mental institutions needed reform.

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His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

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He was creeping people out at Conan's party.

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Yes. He went to 17 rehabs from age 15 through age 22.

His parents wanted him to go back to rehab 4 or 5 months ago and he had a fight with them in a local restaurant.
Attendees at Conan's Christmas party said he was on drugs.

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When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Maybe we should stop putting so much stock into the know nothing mental health professionals who have no idea how to address addiction. It’s expensive and useless. Time to move on.

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Maybe we should stop putting so much stock into the know nothing mental health professionals who have no idea how to address addiction. It’s expensive and useless. Time to move on.

The other option is death from overdose at a young age. We had a beautiful 23 year old employee die from an overdose. It was really sad.

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Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

The NYT said the son estimated he entered rehab 18 times during his teenage years. A parent can address it by setting up rehab, but if the teen or young adult isn't committed to getting clean, it is likely to be unsuccessful.

It doesn't sound like neglect to me at all. It sounds like a teen who wasn't interested in (or capable of) being a good student, and who was descending into a serious mental illness that would only get worse as he aged into his 20s and 30s. Throw in drug use that was escalating to heroin, and it was just an overwhelming problem.

Mental illness can lead to using drugs to offset the mental effects, and drugs can bring on psychosis that might not have emerged without the illicit drugs. Even if the mental illness was considered, the drug treatments that keep schizoid and bipolar symptoms at bay also make the person feel dulled and flat. And as we all know, likely to stop taking the very much needed anti-psychotics.

I don't know that there was a solution that would have ended in a positive way. A parent can't insist the authorities lock away their teen or adult child in a facility that forces anti-psychotic drug treatment and keeps out illegal drugs. Even if you can force involuntary treatment, it's likely to be only for a few day, a week or a month at most. Then they are released, stop taking the necessary medicine and return to the dangerous drugs.

I'm sure his parents were concerned for his physical safety if he lived on the streets. Possibly they felt like they should protect the public from his violent outbursts. I think this same outcome, harming family or the public, would have happened even if they locked him out of the house. If that tough love had led to Nick hurting his sister and her children, his parents would have second guessed that maybe they should have allowed him to live out his madness in their guest house (which they were doing).

I think the main issue here sounds like it was mental illness and focusing on the addiction and drug issues was just stepping around the real problem. The whole situation is sad and scary for those of us with a child or family member who looks and behaves a lot like Nick Reiner.