2 found dead at Rob Reiner's house; possibly Rob and his wife

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Yes. He went to 17 rehabs from age 15 through age 22.

His parents wanted him to go back to rehab 4 or 5 months ago and he had a fight with them in a local restaurant.
Attendees at Conan's Christmas party said he was on drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:06 poster here

When mentally ill family members are in a mania or psychosis there is not much that the other family members can do.

It is legal to have untreated mental illness in the US.

The U.S. movement in the 50s-80s of “deinstitutionalization” has been a massive failure.

Mental institutions should have been reformed; not eliminated as they largely have been.

This 100%. I have a close friend with a schizophrenic daughter. She committed a crime and has been in jail first then a hospital. Her stay is close to coming to an end after 2 years. She is still incredibly sick. When asked what the next step is - the hospital says she can go to a women's shelter or home (where the family is at risk). That is it, those are the options. Homeless or putting your family at risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Maybe we should stop putting so much stock into the know nothing mental health professionals who have no idea how to address addiction. It’s expensive and useless. Time to move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Maybe we should stop putting so much stock into the know nothing mental health professionals who have no idea how to address addiction. It’s expensive and useless. Time to move on.

The other option is death from overdose at a young age. We had a beautiful 23 year old employee die from an overdose. It was really sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

The NYT said the son estimated he entered rehab 18 times during his teenage years. A parent can address it by setting up rehab, but if the teen or young adult isn't committed to getting clean, it is likely to be unsuccessful.

It doesn't sound like neglect to me at all. It sounds like a teen who wasn't interested in (or capable of) being a good student, and who was descending into a serious mental illness that would only get worse as he aged into his 20s and 30s. Throw in drug use that was escalating to heroin, and it was just an overwhelming problem.

Mental illness can lead to using drugs to offset the mental effects, and drugs can bring on psychosis that might not have emerged without the illicit drugs. Even if the mental illness was considered, the drug treatments that keep schizoid and bipolar symptoms at bay also make the person feel dulled and flat. And as we all know, likely to stop taking the very much needed anti-psychotics.

I don't know that there was a solution that would have ended in a positive way. A parent can't insist the authorities lock away their teen or adult child in a facility that forces anti-psychotic drug treatment and keeps out illegal drugs. Even if you can force involuntary treatment, it's likely to be only for a few day, a week or a month at most. Then they are released, stop taking the necessary medicine and return to the dangerous drugs.

I'm sure his parents were concerned for his physical safety if he lived on the streets. Possibly they felt like they should protect the public from his violent outbursts. I think this same outcome, harming family or the public, would have happened even if they locked him out of the house. If that tough love had led to Nick hurting his sister and her children, his parents would have second guessed that maybe they should have allowed him to live out his madness in their guest house (which they were doing).

I think the main issue here sounds like it was mental illness and focusing on the addiction and drug issues was just stepping around the real problem. The whole situation is sad and scary for those of us with a child or family member who looks and behaves a lot like Nick Reiner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

The NYT said the son estimated he entered rehab 18 times during his teenage years. A parent can address it by setting up rehab, but if the teen or young adult isn't committed to getting clean, it is likely to be unsuccessful.

It doesn't sound like neglect to me at all. It sounds like a teen who wasn't interested in (or capable of) being a good student, and who was descending into a serious mental illness that would only get worse as he aged into his 20s and 30s. Throw in drug use that was escalating to heroin, and it was just an overwhelming problem.

Mental illness can lead to using drugs to offset the mental effects, and drugs can bring on psychosis that might not have emerged without the illicit drugs. Even if the mental illness was considered, the drug treatments that keep schizoid and bipolar symptoms at bay also make the person feel dulled and flat. And as we all know, likely to stop taking the very much needed anti-psychotics.

I don't know that there was a solution that would have ended in a positive way. A parent can't insist the authorities lock away their teen or adult child in a facility that forces anti-psychotic drug treatment and keeps out illegal drugs. Even if you can force involuntary treatment, it's likely to be only for a few day, a week or a month at most. Then they are released, stop taking the necessary medicine and return to the dangerous drugs.

I'm sure his parents were concerned for his physical safety if he lived on the streets. Possibly they felt like they should protect the public from his violent outbursts. I think this same outcome, harming family or the public, would have happened even if they locked him out of the house. If that tough love had led to Nick hurting his sister and her children, his parents would have second guessed that maybe they should have allowed him to live out his madness in their guest house (which they were doing).

I think the main issue here sounds like it was mental illness and focusing on the addiction and drug issues was just stepping around the real problem. The whole situation is sad and scary for those of us with a child or family member who looks and behaves a lot like Nick Reiner.

As someone with both addiction and bipolar and schizophrenia in the family you have to get them off of the street drugs first. The street drugs will make the mental illness worse.

The problem if they are clean is that many bipolar and schizophrenics don't want to take prescription meds for mental illness as they don't like the side effects and don't think they need them. My brother and sister are bipolar and neither will take prescription medications for the illness and my uncle had schizophrenia and refused to take prescription meds. They don't think they are sick.

I feel sad for Rob, his wife, and the other siblings. They would have gone through a lot of abuse over the decades and probably been in prior dangerous situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

Sounds like it was. Over and over again. Yet, the addressing didn’t work. What next?

We don’t know what happened other than he went to rehab for the first time. Did he come out and return to previous life?

Maybe we should stop putting so much stock into the know nothing mental health professionals who have no idea how to address addiction. It’s expensive and useless. Time to move on.

The other option is death from overdose at a young age. We had a beautiful 23 year old employee die from an overdose. It was really sad.

That is better than the Reiner outcome.

[Anonymous]

Just watched the movie "Being Charlie" gut wrench. Makes me so grateful for our neuro typical children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

The NYT said the son estimated he entered rehab 18 times during his teenage years. A parent can address it by setting up rehab, but if the teen or young adult isn't committed to getting clean, it is likely to be unsuccessful.

It doesn't sound like neglect to me at all. It sounds like a teen who wasn't interested in (or capable of) being a good student, and who was descending into a serious mental illness that would only get worse as he aged into his 20s and 30s. Throw in drug use that was escalating to heroin, and it was just an overwhelming problem.

Mental illness can lead to using drugs to offset the mental effects, and drugs can bring on psychosis that might not have emerged without the illicit drugs. Even if the mental illness was considered, the drug treatments that keep schizoid and bipolar symptoms at bay also make the person feel dulled and flat. And as we all know, likely to stop taking the very much needed anti-psychotics.

I don't know that there was a solution that would have ended in a positive way. A parent can't insist the authorities lock away their teen or adult child in a facility that forces anti-psychotic drug treatment and keeps out illegal drugs. Even if you can force involuntary treatment, it's likely to be only for a few day, a week or a month at most. Then they are released, stop taking the necessary medicine and return to the dangerous drugs.

I'm sure his parents were concerned for his physical safety if he lived on the streets. Possibly they felt like they should protect the public from his violent outbursts. I think this same outcome, harming family or the public, would have happened even if they locked him out of the house. If that tough love had led to Nick hurting his sister and her children, his parents would have second guessed that maybe they should have allowed him to live out his madness in their guest house (which they were doing).

I think the main issue here sounds like it was mental illness and focusing on the addiction and drug issues was just stepping around the real problem. The whole situation is sad and scary for those of us with a child or family member who looks and behaves a lot like Nick Reiner.

+1 You have 100% described the reality of having a fsmily member with severe mental illness, drug/alcohol addiction, or even other issues such as a physically strong adult with very low cognitive functioning or autism in its most severe manifestation. I work with special needs high school students and know several parents who sleep in a locked bedroom because they fear for their safety. There are no easy answers, but some of these individuals require longterm (lifetime) care and hospitalization. It's hard, but it's a better outcome than having your loved one in prison for life due to violent behavior. .

[Anonymous]

The bottom line is for this kid to enter rehab at 15 he was using drugs at 14 or even earlier. Most kids wouldn’t have money to buy them. Most parents know what their kids are up to at that age. The result may be the same if he started using at 18 but addiction is much worse the younger one starts.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just watched the movie "Being Charlie" gut wrench. Makes me so grateful for our neuro typical children.

I am very grateful for my autistic child too, you tone deaf dimwit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is for this kid to enter rehab at 15 he was using drugs at 14 or even earlier. Most kids wouldn’t have money to buy them. Most parents know what their kids are up to at that age. The result may be the same if he started using at 18 but addiction is much worse the younger one starts.

Sounds like a case of someone with the means to afford rehab being allowed to go that option instead of jail time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:His addiction needed to be addressed at 15. It is much harder the older you are to treat.

As an aside, there may be a bit of neglect that he was already addicted at such a young age.

The NYT said the son estimated he entered rehab 18 times during his teenage years. A parent can address it by setting up rehab, but if the teen or young adult isn't committed to getting clean, it is likely to be unsuccessful.

It doesn't sound like neglect to me at all. It sounds like a teen who wasn't interested in (or capable of) being a good student, and who was descending into a serious mental illness that would only get worse as he aged into his 20s and 30s. Throw in drug use that was escalating to heroin, and it was just an overwhelming problem.

Mental illness can lead to using drugs to offset the mental effects, and drugs can bring on psychosis that might not have emerged without the illicit drugs. Even if the mental illness was considered, the drug treatments that keep schizoid and bipolar symptoms at bay also make the person feel dulled and flat. And as we all know, likely to stop taking the very much needed anti-psychotics.

I don't know that there was a solution that would have ended in a positive way. A parent can't insist the authorities lock away their teen or adult child in a facility that forces anti-psychotic drug treatment and keeps out illegal drugs. Even if you can force involuntary treatment, it's likely to be only for a few day, a week or a month at most. Then they are released, stop taking the necessary medicine and return to the dangerous drugs.

I'm sure his parents were concerned for his physical safety if he lived on the streets. Possibly they felt like they should protect the public from his violent outbursts. I think this same outcome, harming family or the public, would have happened even if they locked him out of the house. If that tough love had led to Nick hurting his sister and her children, his parents would have second guessed that maybe they should have allowed him to live out his madness in their guest house (which they were doing).

I think the main issue here sounds like it was mental illness and focusing on the addiction and drug issues was just stepping around the real problem. The whole situation is sad and scary for those of us with a child or family member who looks and behaves a lot like Nick Reiner.

As someone with both addiction and bipolar and schizophrenia in the family you have to get them off of the street drugs first. The street drugs will make the mental illness worse.

The problem if they are clean is that many bipolar and schizophrenics don't want to take prescription meds for mental illness as they don't like the side effects and don't think they need them. My brother and sister are bipolar and neither will take prescription medications for the illness and my uncle had schizophrenia and refused to take prescription meds. They don't think they are sick.

I feel sad for Rob, his wife, and the other siblings. They would have gone through a lot of abuse over the decades and probably been in prior dangerous situations.

+1 All so true and incredibly sad. No easy answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just watched the movie "Being Charlie" gut wrench. Makes me so grateful for our neuro typical children.

I am very grateful for my autistic child too, you tone deaf dimwit.

Here, too. She can be highly frustrating, but you know what she doesn't do that my older "neuro typical" kids did?

Drink or do drugs or have addictions.

And I love her profoundly and wouldn't trade her for anyone else. She's herself. That's all.

You don't get the kids you want to parent. You parent the kids you get. That's the whole definition of being a parent.

Her older siblings got into far much more mischief that I would have liked to have avoided if only we were all given a choice or just write a check and make them all act like I wanted them to. That doesn't exist.