2 found dead at Rob Reiner's house; possibly Rob and his wife

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting he kept his sister alive. Apparently she lives next door and found the bodies. I couldn’t even imagine that pain and trauma.

He didn't "keep her alive." She wasn't in the housd.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

People have a right to freedom. It would be kidnapping if you just put people away behind locked doors against their will. They have to be at imminent risk to harm themselves or others or completley unable to care for themselves before you can take their rights away. That is why many are against the ICE detainments. Snatching people off the street and locking them away isn't really the sign of a funcational society. There are places in the world where there are even fewer human rights and families can have a family member with a significant illness or disability locked away.

Well at some point society has the weigh the rights of the individual against the rights of the general population.

That will never happen. People wouldn’t tolerate what that actually looks like.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister reported her brother as a dangerous person.

As someone with schizophrenia and bipolar in our family I can relate.

Too bad the sister didn’t make a police report detailing why her brother was a dangerous person. Maybe they could have had an involuntary psychiatric ward admission.

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RIP Rob Reiner…thank you for so many wonderful movies. Godspeed to you and Michelle.

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Anonymous wrote:When someone with Rob Reiner's level of wealth and connections can't get help for his adult son, what chance do the rest of us have?

Exactly!

Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds is the epitome of this problem, and he readily shares the story of how he tried to get his son hospitalized while in crisis and when there wasn’t a bed immediately available in northern Virginia, the medical system sent them home and the next morning his son tried to kill him and then killed himself - also a knife attack on the father, but he killed himself with a gun.

On November 19, 2013, Deeds was stabbed multiple times at his home in Bath County, Virginia by his 24-year-old son, Gus, who then shot himself.[7] Deeds was initially reported to be in critical condition at University of Virginia Medical Center.[8][9] Although a judge had issued an involuntary commitment order for Gus, and despite an intensive search, no available hospital bed could be found to provide him mental health treatment in the days before the attempted murder and he was released home without the ordered treatment.[10] As a consequence, several changes were made in the screening and admission process for people undergoing an emergency psychiatric examination in Virginia.[11] These changes include 2014 Virginia Senate Bill 260, sponsored by Deeds.[12]

As a former county attorney who involuntarily committed dozens of people to the state hospital as well as to private facilities over the course of my years in that role, I can attest that only a tiny number of those commitments remained in custody longer than a week or two. One young man whose family had cut him down from a tree where he hanged himself was returned into the community after THREE DAYS at the state hospital.

My time in the family and criminal and child dependency courts taught me that our mental health system is ABYSMAL, from sea to shining sea. It’s an underfunded underresourced poorly regulated MESS, and we pay for it in dozens of ways across our society. But it seems there is no real will to fix it, on either side of the aisle.

Absolutely. The patients have advocates who will come to the meeting at the end of their mandatory stay. If they don't stay voluntarily, they can go. They have to prove they have a "plan" and the advocate will argue for the plan's validity even as the family members know it's not real or likely to happen. HIPPA also means family members may not know exactly what the exact diagnosis or prognosis is. If a person is paranoid (and many are) they don't trust people who have their best interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

People have a right to freedom. It would be kidnapping if you just put people away behind locked doors against their will. They have to be at imminent risk to harm themselves or others or completley unable to care for themselves before you can take their rights away. That is why many are against the ICE detainments. Snatching people off the street and locking them away isn't really the sign of a funcational society. There are places in the world where there are even fewer human rights and families can have a family member with a significant illness or disability locked away.

Well at some point society has the weigh the rights of the individual against the rights of the general population.

Unitl they are threatning or commit an act of violence, then how do you weigh those rights? You can't put everyone with a mental illness or addiction in a locked facility just in case they were 1 of the very few who might go on to commit a violent crime. People with mental illness are not more likely to commit a violent crime than the general population. When they do commit a crime, it is more likely to be directed at family and more likely to be unrelated to drugs / gang etc and therefore it makes the news more often.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

People have a right to freedom. It would be kidnapping if you just put people away behind locked doors against their will. They have to be at imminent risk to harm themselves or others or completley unable to care for themselves before you can take their rights away. That is why many are against the ICE detainments. Snatching people off the street and locking them away isn't really the sign of a funcational society. There are places in the world where there are even fewer human rights and families can have a family member with a significant illness or disability locked away.

They do but they can also become burdens on society. This is due to misplaced advocacy and good intentions but people living on the street is not good for them or anyone else. And then you have public places like libraries, hospitals, jails and parks that end up housing where they end up. Some just need housing but many are mentally ill and don't want help but need it. Some people actually need involuntary commitment and would benefit from it.

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Conan O'Brien's Christmas party tends to be a big deal. And that's where all the anger seems to have boiled over, which ultimately led to these murders.

Guessing the children of celebrities will not be welcome at parties going forward.

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His mother said experts told them nick was lying to them and that they were wrong to believe that. I wonder if that meant experts thought he was a psychopath?

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Not sure if anyone has already said this- and it sounds so dramatic, but when I first saw the headline and saw a family photo- that one son did not look right- in every photo. Check it out... I got a shiver down my spine.

later in the day I heard the son was thought to be the perp.

This is so dreadful. I too, was a young kid LOVING the humour that Carl and Rob brought into the world. That will be their legacy. I wish time-bombs like this would just go off somewhere and implode alone instead of turning outward and hurting others.

You are on the wrong side of good and evil if you post something offensive toward the victims/family after a situation like this.

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This poor family. I’m sure this wasn’t the first time they were scared of him.

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Anonymous wrote:They are Jewish and killed then first day of Jewish holidays

Yeah, when there are family issues, violence often increases around holidays. Because families are spending time together. Sometimes it’s a time when family members say things like “we love you. You are out of control. We can’t keep paying your bills for you to live like those. You need to go to rehab.” I don’t know if that happened here but often it’s when family members draw boundaries, it leads to violence. Or even just a “don’t talk your mom that way” and things escalate from there. Holidays can be rough for a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

Multiple reports saying they got into a heated argument with the son that night at Conan O’Brien’s holiday party.

I really feel for families that have to deal with a mentally ill close relative, having one in my family of origin myself. It doesn't matter who, where or what the occasion is, they ruin the event with their behavior. If Kathy is correct and Nick had schizophrenia, anything can set them off.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister reported her brother as a dangerous person.

As someone with schizophrenia and bipolar in our family I can relate.

Too bad the sister didn’t make a police report detailing why her brother was a dangerous person. Maybe they could have had an involuntary psychiatric ward admission.

It would do nothing. They have to be actively homicidal. If she knew he was planning to kill his parents, I'm sure she would have reported it. It was mostly likely impulsive and not per-meditated. The mentally ill have rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure if anyone has already said this- and it sounds so dramatic, but when I first saw the headline and saw a family photo- that one son did not look right- in every photo. Check it out... I got a shiver down my spine.

later in the day I heard the son was thought to be the perp.

This is so dreadful. I too, was a young kid LOVING the humour that Carl and Rob brought into the world. That will be their legacy. I wish time-bombs like this would just go off somewhere and implode alone instead of turning outward and hurting others.

You are on the wrong side of good and evil if you post something offensive toward the victims/family after a situation like this.

You are so right about the photos...Nick's eye gaze and facial expressions are "off." Very apparent in comparison with his brother's expressions.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister reported her brother as a dangerous person.

As someone with schizophrenia and bipolar in our family I can relate.

Too bad the sister didn’t make a police report detailing why her brother was a dangerous person. Maybe they could have had an involuntary psychiatric ward admission.

It would do nothing. They have to be actively homicidal. If she knew he was planning to kill his parents, I'm sure she would have reported it. It was mostly likely impulsive and not per-meditated. The mentally ill have rights.

We need to change the laws. The rights of the mentally ill shouldn't include overriding the rights of others and doing harm to others.