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No I see your bigotry and assumptions that male to female transgender people are threats despite absolutely zero evidence. I’ll just let them know they can’t have any basic human dignity because you have “concerns” and that apparently is just as good as facts…. |
The percentage of people who identify as trans is still exceedingly rare, it’s less than 1 percent of the population. Naturally, as modern society strives to be more inclusive you will see a rise in people coming out. We saw this was gay people, we even saw this with left handed people. It’s not that there are more left handed people today than before, it’s that society stopped weirdly trying to stamp it out and people could finally be themselves. https://slowrevealgraphs.com/2021/11/08/rate-of-left-handedness-in-the-us-stigma-society/ When you stop trying to force people to be what they’re not then you will see more people who previously would’ve remained closeted. Lastly, your final point about people pretending has no basis in fact or reality. Like every single other anti-trans claim I’ve seen here it’s built on an assumption, and now your attitude towards someone’s entire existence is built on a feeling. It’s a sad state of affairs where “logic” like this, where hypotheticals, not at all grounded in the reality or facts, are what is a leading source for this national debate. We’re literally legislating a group that makes less than 1% of the population because a bunch of weirdos have sat around and thought of what crimes they “could” commit. What a joke |
It's more than 1% among young people: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/transgender-high-schoolers-identify-cdc-national-survey-rcna174569 Also, 1% is a lot! A single male screwball getting to use the women's locker-room or play women's sports is a disaster for girls' privacy and fairness, not to mention the appalling abuse that the transgender student experiences when a doctor, school administration and family environment take this bizarre Tumblr fad seriously. Even if it were less than 1%, that's no answer at all. |
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One could make this same argument about any mental illness, all of which have been around for thousands of years as well. Fwiw, I do tend to believe trans is a mental illness. |
In the DMV area, it didn't help that a girl that was raped in a school bathroom by a boy in a dress, then when the father went to a school board meeting to complain about it being swept under the rug, he was blocked and dragged out of a school board meeting for complaining about his daughter being raped in a bathroom by a boy in a dress. The whole time, horrible people like you kept yelling that he was lying about his raped daughter in order to prevent the school board from adopting a resolution to allow boys that identified as girls to use girls bathrooms. That combined with school boards telling staff that they can keep secrets from parents about their children's sexuality and help them transition without parental knowledge. It cost McAuliffe the governorship and probably boosted Trump more than a little bit. But you go ahead and keep banging that drum. Keep telling everyone who disagrees with you how stupid, horrible and ridiculous they are. If you can't make your point respectfully, be prepared to see your candidate suffer for it. It is because of people like you that the Democratic party is pulling back on trans rights as much as they have. Because the ambassador for trans rights are the worst people in the world. |
It was a mental illness until they decided that calling it a mental illness was making things worse so now we humor them. And as long as it's no skin of your nose, why not. But it has gone beyond that when the trans rights proponents insist that men be allowed to use female facilities. Not just bathrooms and locker rooms but bath houses and other places that are segregated to females in part out of privacy concerns. They dismiss the concerns of their opponents and exaggerate their own. They say things like You are LITERALLY denying my existence You are LITERALLY killing trans kids Your words are violence. None of that is true. It's all a bit too much. |
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As for the “historical examples” a PP gave… women presenting themselves as men 100+ years ago as the only way they would be allowed to hold certain jobs/professions is not really the same thing. And yes— I’m sure there were a tiny number of people who were actually trans, just like there have always been people who are depressed, anxious, have OCD, etc. But nothing like today’s numbers.
And saying that being trans isn’t based on feelings… then what is it based on? It’s not based on biology or fact. It’s based on how a person feels. This doesn’t make it invalid, but it does make it hard to quantify. |
Funny that you specifically carve out male to female. Because you know the problem here is the invasion of female spaces by biological men. |
| Gender is not a social construct construct. Women wearing certain things and men wearing others is a social construct. Clothes, for that matter, are a social construct. Different roles in a family like women cooking and cleaning and men going to an office or factory is a social construct for the most part but is derivatkve of an actually biological difference which is that a heavily pregnant women or nursing mother of a newborn that needs to here every two hours actually cannot go hunt or work in a factory or plow a field all day. Can a woman do it otherwise? Yes. But those divisions regarding home and work duties exist because of actually biological differences that are NOT constructs. I am a woman and a lawyer and let me tell you I wear pants and mow the lawn and fold laundry and my husband does a ton of stuff that was precious for women. But when it came time to nurse our children, only I could do it. Only my. When we moved to bottles, he helped yes, but for nursing it was me. That is NOT a a social construct. And monthly periods are not a social construct. And osteoperosis is not a social construct. Prostate cancer is not a social construct. These are real biological differences that most of us respect. |
I specifically “carved it out” because the poster I was quoting alluded to it by stating that the historical female to male transitions I referenced weren’t the same. That’s got to be the laziest gotcha attempt, just simply read the preceding posts. |
Literally 10 seconds of Google would’ve shown you that all those specific examples were all people who continued to live as trans people outside their professional life. They were not doing it to pursue professional gain. I thought doing your own research was kinda your guys whole thing. |
Again, one singular instance that is often misrepresented as a random attack and then used to extrapolate to some greater threat. Don’t ya think it’s a bit odd that in the now 5+ years of this transpanic m, this apparent crisis, there isn’t any other cases ever rolled out? It’s just this one. Don’t get me wrong, this story is absolutely terrible, never should’ve happened, it was a complete failure by that school system. That said there is also nothing in that story that is in anyway indicative that this is part of a broad threat or trend. The facts of the story are seldom shared, but they’re important. https://archive.is/20231008192320/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/magazine/loudoun-county-bathroom-sexual-assault.html The attacker and victim had a pre-existing relationship, the attacker made arrangements to meet with the victim in the handicap stall of the girls bathroom under the pretense of sex (I share this not imply any responsibility, but to underscore it was not random violence), the sexual assault then occurs and is interrupted by a staff member. The attacker in this case, had a history of touching people non-consensually and disregarding directions to not. Why are these important details? Because they very clearly demonstrate that aside from the location, nothing here is tied to a person’s gender identity. All the preceding information lends us to the logical conclusion that had the attack not taken place in a bathroom it would’ve taken place somewhere else. This wasn’t someone using their gender identity to gain access to a space where they can now attack vulnerable people, it was them trying to find a space they believed would be unsupervised. I know the nuance of that is absolutely going to be lost here, but there are dozens of other unsupervised locations in a school. The issue here was the school failed to act when the attacker had previously been identified as a problem, it is not that they had access to one specific unsupervised location. I know I’m wasting my breath because none of this is in good faith. I’m talking to people who have pivoted from it being a safety concern to being now there own unsolicited commentary on mental health (because of there’s one thing I want more than wild legislation opinions that has no basis in facts, statistics, or sources, it’s medical opinions that have no basis in facts, statistics, or sources!) Again, this comes down to a resentment that different people exist. There’s not a singular piece of meaningful data to support any of these legislative acts beyond it making people feel upset that trans people are real. If you choose to perceive it as mental illness, that’s your call (much like mine is to call you bigoted, ain’t that beautiful). No one is making even change one iota about your life. However your hang ups don’t mean the world around you now needs to operate under different circumstances because you have feelings. You don’t like the facts, that’s different than the facts not existing. |
NP: Like others in our area I have concerns about spaces and sports in relation to gender. I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to write the above response - you share some thoughts, clarifications, and information I find informative. It doesn't change my reservations - but I do think I understand your (and probably others) position a bit better. . |
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This still about subjugating the rights of the vast majority to the rights of the very few. Most policy decisions are made in this manner, every group can't have it their way. I know 30 females in a classroom setting who do not want a boy using their bathroom & locker room. I also know 1 male, who identifies as a female who would like to do just that. At the end of the day it's upholding the wishes of 30 over the wishes of 1. There is no perfect policy that can accommodate every group.
The school board needs to stop wasting taxpayer dollars for lawsuits that are filed on poor logic. |