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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?[/quote]

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?[/quote]

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind. [/quote]

WTAF [/quote]

Both things can be true. It’s not open season to rape people. But it happens. So you need to act responsibly and not get blackout drunk which pretty much opens the door to said rape. 
Personal responsibility people. [/quote]

Sober women are raped all the time. Rape is the problem, not drunkenness.[/quote]

Sigh.

Rape is obviously the problem.

But shouldn’t everyone attempt to mitigate the risk of danger by being aware of their surroundings, maintaining control of their faculties, etc.? [/quote]

Mitigation or the lack thereof does not confer one less jot of responsibility on the rapist. This kind of talk attempts to shift a modicum of responsiblity to the victim, and I am not here for it. It's gross victim-blaming. "Oh, if only she hadn't [fill in the blank with activity that men do all the time] this wouldn't have happened." Miss me with that. [/quote]

I think we are talking past each other.

I’m not passing judgment on any victim…ever. The rapist is 100% at fault. Full stop.

I’m talking about girls/women (and presumably men) who haven’t been victimized. I’m suggesting it’s in their best interest to take steps to avoid or mitigate risk.

Some people on this thread sound (imho) unhinged in their belief that nobody should have to take precautions and therefore they don’t…

Some people also sound (imho) unhinged in their binary assessment that anyone who brings up the need to take precautions is a victim-blaming rape apologist.

Fwiw, I’m a boy mom who is not only raising my boys to protect themselves from danger and be gentlemen around their partners, but also to avoid compromising situations. Drugs and alcohol create scenarios where lots of things can go wrong. Unhinged friends and acquaintances can also create scenarios that go sideways. [/quote]

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