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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just finished the book Know My Name by Chanel Miller, the woman who was raped by Brock Turner, and looked through this thread. Wow, some of the comments here were really eye-opening, and showed an extreme lack of knowledge of the case. Has anyone else read the book? If you thought she bore some culpability for what happened prior to the book being released, did your perspective change by what you learned?[/quote]

I haven't read the book and think she has some culpability (a good bit of culpability) for what happened, given her history of drinking and having blackouts (and given her age).

Did the book change your perspective?[/quote]

If you think it's open season to rape women who are passed out next to a dumpster, I doubt a book will change your mind. [/quote]

Ah.  So she doesn't admit to her own part.

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Holy F. I hope this is a Russian bot trying to troll the internet and not a real person. [/quote]

Why assume bot?  We live in a world where men do rape women who are blacked out. [b]Whether or not they should is moot[/b]. They do. Therefore you should protect yourself and act accordingly. If you’re going to get drunk and pass out, you really shouldn’t be surprised if it happens. 
You should act according to the world we actually live in, not the one you think we should live in. [/quote]

No. No, it's not MOOT you idiot. That's the entirety of the point. It's THE POINT. Rapists shouldn't rape. That's it. That's all they have to do. NOT RAPE. Somehow, I see drunk people all the time. I don't rape them. IT'S NOT HARD. It's not a moot point. My god, who the F are you?[/quote]

And robbers shouldn’t rob. And carjackers shouldn’t carjack. And arsonists shouldn’t start fires. And murderers shouldn’t murder. 
How’s that fantasy world working out for you?[/quote]

Do we have constant internet warriors or even judges saying you caused your own arson fire for something you did? Do we routinely see in the news what a person driving down the street did wrong to be carjacked? No. 
Until we do, hmmmm. What could possibly be the difference here.[/quote]

Personally I don’t GAF about what internet warriors say. I’m not that fragile. And I will continue to take precautions to mitigate the chances they any of these crimes happen to me. I’m impressed that you don’t have smoke alarms, or wear seatbelts, or feel comfortable getting blackout drunk anytime anywhere, or hanging out in a high crime area in the early morning hours. If that’s working for you, have at it. It doesn’t work for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess. [/quote]
Smoke alarms don’t prevent arson. Seat belts don’t prevent car jacking. Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.

Getting so drunk you lose consciousness is risky, but it’s not a crime. What Turner did was criminal.[/quote]

Listen you obviously think people shouldn’t do anything to mitigate risk. Like I said, that’s fine for you. Have at it. 
Staying sober doesn’t prevent rape.  But it definitely mitigates the risk. Why you wouldn’t teach your daughters to mitigate the risk of rape is beyond me. [/quote]

[b]THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE TO MITIGATE THE RISK[/b]. Men should . . . . just not rape. Whether the woman is sober or blackout drunk. [/quote]

But in this world they do. Are you being intentionally obtuse?
If you want to tell your daughter she shouldn’t have to mitigate the risk, then you do you. But because no matter how many times you screech MEN SHOULDN’T RAPE, they still will. Ignore that at your own peril. [/quote]
Not one person is arguing that women should drink til they pass out. But one or two people are arguing that women who do drink til they pass out are partially to blame if they’re raped while unconscious. That’s really messed up. It’s wise to be cautious with your safety, but rape victims are not responsible for their rapists’ actions.[/quote]

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