Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/dc-house-fire-money-motive/

This article says that all 4 victims were dead before fire started.

When murdered housekeeper's husband went to the home Thursday morning, he said he saw Porsche was parked on the street (as well as the father's car at the home). I don't know how perps could get into the car on the street without being seen in broad daylight.

Also, police kept asking for public to help determine whereabouts of Porsche from 10:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. when car was found burning. Perps must have left home at 10:30 a.m., right? So they somehow set up the fire with a delayed combustion (cigarette+gasoline)? I don't know anything about arson, but is that possible? Or would it take more premeditation to pull off a delayed fire.

Seen by whom? Are there neighbors who sit outside watching over all the homes in the area? Who would be calling in?

Hopefully, on a sunny day like it was last Thursday, there were neighbors out walking their dogs or working on their yards or just being outside. When I am on the phone or in my kitchen, I am always looking outside toward the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/dc-house-fire-money-motive/

This article says that all 4 victims were dead before fire started.

When murdered housekeeper's husband went to the home Thursday morning, he said he saw Porsche was parked on the street (as well as the father's car at the home). I don't know how perps could get into the car on the street without being seen in broad daylight.

Also, police kept asking for public to help determine whereabouts of Porsche from 10:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. when car was found burning. Perps must have left home at 10:30 a.m., right? So they somehow set up the fire with a delayed combustion (cigarette+gasoline)? I don't know anything about arson, but is that possible? Or would it take more premeditation to pull off a delayed fire.

Seen by whom? Are there neighbors who sit outside watching over all the homes in the area? Who would be calling in?

all it takes is one person walking a dog, or passing them while driving in the street

I work from home in upper NW and my block is a TOTAL ghost town during the day. There's not a soul around except for myself.
There have been numerous break-ins in the surrounding area and no-one ever sees anything. Much of NW is empty during business hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

I keep Googling for a good profile on these perps from a profiler like Clint Van Sandt or someone like him. Has anyone seen a good profile on these perps? We don't have cable news....at times like this, I really would love to watch Nancy Grace. Please don't flame me if you are not a Nancy Grace fan.

If you can link a good article with a profiler talking about this case, please do so.

[Anonymous]

The porsche was driven from NW DC to PG county - how many surveillance cameras would they have passed along the way? It has to be many right? Are there government funded surveilance cameras or just traffic cams?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

Wouldn't they have to kill the family? I don't see how you (as the perp) could demand the family hand over all their money and then not expect them to call the police the minute you stepped out the door with the cash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

Why is it so hard to understand that they wanted more money? They probably did not have a great deal of cash in the home. Let's say there was $5000 in a safe (pure speculation). People who stage a home invasion of a $4 million home are not going to settle for that. They wanted more. It is very difficult to raise large amounts of cash on short notice (try going to your bank and asking to withdraw tens of money in cash in an hour -- it won't happen). Either they knew about money at AIW or they demanded he raise hundreds of thousands of dollars and all he could pull together was $40,000.

[Anonymous]

Im guessing there was something beyond the 40k they were trying to get, thus the torture

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

Wouldn't they have to kill the family? I don't see how you (as the perp) could demand the family hand over all their money and then not expect them to call the police the minute you stepped out the door with the cash.

If they knew you or if they could identify you.

Killing is one thing...but torture is another. And there must have been more than one...otherwise the husband would have tried to fight back (figuring he had nothing to lose).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. If someone broke into my house and demanded money, I'd hand it over...there wouldn't be any need to torture my family. I'd open the safe and call someone to drop off cash.

So why the need for torture?

What did they really want? Probably something they thought he had, but really didn't? Or they were punishing him for something else? Or maybe it was just a psychopath?

Wouldn't they have to kill the family? I don't see how you (as the perp) could demand the family hand over all their money and then not expect them to call the police the minute you stepped out the door with the cash.

If they knew you or if they could identify you.

Killing is one thing...but torture is another. And there must have been more than one...otherwise the husband would have tried to fight back (figuring he had nothing to lose).

Do we know they were tortured when they were still alive? I imagine that anyone who has been stabbed to death looks pretty gruesome after the fact and like they were "tortured".

[Anonymous]

If the porsche was taken by the perp and driven to PG, who is in the video running away from the house with the buceket?

[Anonymous]

I can't kill a lizard much less torture and burn a child. This whole thing is beyond evil. If there is such a thing.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Im guessing there was something beyond the 40k they were trying to get, thus the torture

Agreed. This is what I think as well. However, there seems to be a coincidence between the timing of the money drop off and the Porsche leaving. Could one of the perps have immediately left in the Porsche with the $40k? The time difference between the Porsche leaving and the house fire makes me think that the killers were waiting for something -- possibly for something the one that left needed to do -- to get done. So, it is possible that somehow the $40k was not the goal, but a means to the goal. I can hardly think of a worse choice of a getaway car than a convertible 911. That will be easy to pick out in surveillance cameras.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the porsche was taken by the perp and driven to PG, who is in the video running away from the house with the buceket?

That video is behind a building near where the car was ditched.

[Anonymous]

So the police must not think these perps are a threat to anyone else, right? There is no "manhunt" on? The police are pretty certain that perps wouldn't be so quick to commit another horrific act?
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This case just feels so different from the urgency from a few weeks ago, when the inmate who was being treated at Inova Fairfax Hospital escaped. Remember that? It was a breaking news story with updates every few minutes. I actually stayed home with my kids that day, as we lived not too far from the hospital and no one knew where that guy had gone or what he would do.