VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see it like this...if a kid did not make a low level travel team, it's because he doesn't have the work ethic or desire to improve. Maybe this is a blessing and saving you money. If your son finds a wall and kicks the ball off the wall, working on his touch and passing with both feet a few times a week, works on footskills a few times a week, shooting on dad, etc. he would have made travel. If he's not doing these things, what do you expect. You can't just "want" to play travel soccer....although just being athletic at least gets you on a low level travel team.

You are a treat.

This post seems accurate. Do you disagree with something in this post?

Yes, Michael Jordan was cut from his JV high school team. He didn't give up on competitive basketball. Worked out OK. Without seeing or knowing the kid, none of us have a clue about his potential or drive.

[Anonymous]

your kid might be the next world class soccer superstar even if they are getting cut from their 9th grade JV team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:your kid might be the next world class soccer superstar even if they are getting cut from their 9th grade JV team.

Thank God my kid will never get anywhere near your defeatist attitude. You only get one childhood to dream. Too precious to have some asshat like you stomp all over it. Nobody said any of these kids will go pro, but they can reach a level beyond their immediate talents. Saying that a pre-teen kid should give up now is ridiculous - especially if you don't know him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:your kid might be the next world class soccer superstar even if they are getting cut from their 9th grade JV team.

Thank God my kid will never get anywhere near your defeatist attitude. You only get one childhood to dream. Too precious to have some asshat like you stomp all over it. Nobody said any of these kids will go pro, but they can reach a level beyond their immediate talents. Saying that a pre-teen kid should give up now is ridiculous - especially if you don't know him.

I don't know him, but your kid should give up now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see it like this...if a kid did not make a low level travel team, it's because he doesn't have the work ethic or desire to improve. Maybe this is a blessing and saving you money. If your son finds a wall and kicks the ball off the wall, working on his touch and passing with both feet a few times a week, works on footskills a few times a week, shooting on dad, etc. he would have made travel. If he's not doing these things, what do you expect. You can't just "want" to play travel soccer....although just being athletic at least gets you on a low level travel team.

You are a treat.

This post seems accurate. Do you disagree with something in this post?

Yes, Michael Jordan was cut from his JV high school team. He didn't give up on competitive basketball. Worked out OK. Without seeing or knowing the kid, none of us have a clue about his potential or drive.

I'm not sure of the point bringing Michael Jordan into the conversation but...I'm sure Michael Jordan worked hard on his own to make it, so you supported the posted above. And low level travel team is in general weaker than a HS JV team.

[Anonymous]

Did everyone get their Vienna offers sorted out? Are rosters set? Anyone leaving?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did everyone get their Vienna offers sorted out? Are rosters set? Anyone leaving?

I'm staying but I know several leaving.

[Anonymous]

Why didn't Vienna play in the Virginian tournament. Going around town, it looks like some of the tournament games are actually in Vienna.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PAC practices at Luther Jackson Middle School and falls Church high School and will take most players coming in who are interested at younger ages.

PAC teams are terrible and the club not worth the drive. You'd do much better with commuting to GFR or Herdon, which both have stronger programs than PAC.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see it like this...if a kid did not make a low level travel team, it's because he doesn't have the work ethic or desire to improve. Maybe this is a blessing and saving you money. If your son finds a wall and kicks the ball off the wall, working on his touch and passing with both feet a few times a week, works on footskills a few times a week, shooting on dad, etc. he would have made travel. If he's not doing these things, what do you expect. You can't just "want" to play travel soccer....although just being athletic at least gets you on a low level travel team.

You are a treat.

This post seems accurate. Do you disagree with something in this post?

Yes, Michael Jordan was cut from his JV high school team. He didn't give up on competitive basketball. Worked out OK. Without seeing or knowing the kid, none of us have a clue about his potential or drive.

This drove us crazy at the Wilmington newspaper (NC, where Jordan lived). He wasn't cut from the JV. He didn't make the varsity as a sophomore.

As for not making a low-level travel team because a player doesn't have the work ethic or desire to improve -- baloney. A lot of clubs don't know how to run tryouts, and they just grab the most athletic kids out there, some of whom are barely interested in soccer and end up quitting at U-11. So sometimes, you have players who are truly dedicated to soccer who don't make it at all or make, say, the VYS Silver team. I know two kids on the Madison varsity this year who were underappreciated at U-9. Where are the kids who were "better" than they were at U-9?

And I coached a kid who didn't make travel in VYS two straight years even though he was dominant in House. He plays lacrosse now. Great job, soccer coaches.

All the more reason why we should all be following the old USYS advice and not having tryouts at such a young age. Coaches know diddly-squat about who's going to be a good player and who isn't.

As the Jordan example proves, we might not even know at age 15. Yes, basketball is different in the sense that Jordan was too short as a sophomore. But how many kids are too short or too small or too slow at age 8?

----------, this sort of stuff really grinds my gears. Yay, congratulations to your kid for impressing the idiot who's so full of himself that he thinks so much of his ability to "spot talent" that he looks at a kid for five minutes and misses what all the House league coaches, players and parents all know because they watch the kid in actual games. I sincerely hope he sticks with it, even when some of these kids who "don't have the work ethic or desire to improve" make it the next year or at another club and start running circles around the kids who think they're the bomb because they made the Red or the Blue or the pre-pre-ECNL or whatever the ---- your club calls it.

&^$&%#%&!!

Oh, and a lot of the legends about Jordan's high school baseball career were also concocted.

Day drink much? This meandering babble gave me a headache.

[Anonymous]

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Day drink much? This meandering babble gave me a headache.

Never been drunk.

Might be a little punchy from getting up early to ref a couple of games.

To summarize it all, though:

- Michael Jordan wasn't cut from his JV team as a sophomore. He actually played on the JV. He didn't make varsity that year.

- The notion that kids who don't make travel teams lack work ethic or a desire to improve is piffle.

I completely agree with your last point. My oldest did not make U9 McLean team and was crushed at the time. The coaches thought there were about 40 kids better than him. We went to another club. By his junior year at high school, he played on an ECNL team. He also got offers to play in college. If your kid has work ethic, drive, and some amount of talent, he will get better. What coaches think about a player at any particular point in time does not define what the player can accomplish.

[Anonymous]

Back to VYS. Why didn't they play in the Virginian tournament? It's in their back yard and are not playing in other tournaments, I don't think. Odd.

[Anonymous]

VYS is playing in the Columbia Memorial Day Tournament; at least some VYS teams are, anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to VYS. Why didn't they play in the Virginian tournament? It's in their back yard and are not playing in other tournaments, I don't think. Odd.

We had to drive to the Columbia tournament. Horrible. Sitting in traffic half the weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to VYS. Why didn't they play in the Virginian tournament? It's in their back yard and are not playing in other tournaments, I don't think. Odd.

We had to drive to the Columbia tournament. Horrible. Sitting in traffic half the weekend.

Makes zero sense. Many of The Virginian games were played in Vienna. All local teams playing here.