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Anonymous wrote:Are you of you on here complaining going to stick with the club next fall or are you just venting?

Will certainly try out at at least obe other club. And see how the coaching assignments shake out.

Burke and Herndon are both close by and not disasters like Valor

Have had kids play at multiple clubs, and administratively, Burke has been far better run than any of the bigger ones.

I have heard good things about Burke, but it’s tough if you have a kid plays or is on track to play ECNL regional or above. They don’t have a pathway for that. Definitely thinking about it for my younger child.

They don't, which is why I think parents are also generally less toxic. But in my experience, there's no difference in level of play between ECNL-RL and top level NCSL. So for kids who just want to play with similarly-skilled kids and don't care about recruitment, it works.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the club did quite well with their recent tournaments. They must be doing something right .

OH MY GOD SO CRINGEY. Yes, they sent their highest level teams to beat some rec+ teams and play other Valor teams at basically a rec tournament. Go away, Valor marketing person. You are making Valor look even worse.

Their young teams played horrible in Williamsburg. The u11 and u12 girls didn't even make the finals. That's cringe. At least the u10 made the finals but these were not great teams they were playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the club did quite well with their recent tournaments. They must be doing something right .

OH MY GOD SO CRINGEY. Yes, they sent their highest level teams to beat some rec+ teams and play other Valor teams at basically a rec tournament. Go away, Valor marketing person. You are making Valor look even worse.

Their young teams played horrible in Williamsburg. The u11 and u12 girls didn't even make the finals. That's cringe. At least the u10 made the finals but these were not great teams they were playing.

On the girls side, it was second and third teams playing in that tournament. But yeah, the point still stands. Looking at Valor teams, you basically have to compare them to the level below (or maybe more) for other clubs. For example, the top team at Valor is more like the second team at a McLean or Arlington (at best); Valor’s second team is equivalent to one of their third teams, etc. I don’t think this is true for every single age group, but probably for most of them. They don’t seem to care because people keep paying.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the club did quite well with their recent tournaments. They must be doing something right .

If you are someone from Valor trying to make the club look better, please just stop. A lot of the teams were at the Williamsburg tournament which isn't exactly a high level tournament. I don't care that my kid's team can go beat some teams from much smaller areas or in a lower bracket than they should be in. I care what happens when we go up against other teams in this area that are supposedly on the same level. Time and time again those teams look like they know what they're doing while our kids look unprepared. Stop patting yourselves on the back and figure it out. Or, keep doing what you're doing and lose many of your best players.

Well said. The parents buy into that crap playing mediocre teams in a sub-par tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the club did quite well with their recent tournaments. They must be doing something right .

If you are someone from Valor trying to make the club look better, please just stop. A lot of the teams were at the Williamsburg tournament which isn't exactly a high level tournament. I don't care that my kid's team can go beat some teams from much smaller areas or in a lower bracket than they should be in. I care what happens when we go up against other teams in this area that are supposedly on the same level. Time and time again those teams look like they know what they're doing while our kids look unprepared. Stop patting yourselves on the back and figure it out. Or, keep doing what you're doing and lose many of your best players.

Well said. The parents buy into that crap playing mediocre teams in a sub-par tournament.

I don't know that it's fair to say "parents buy into that crap". I know I didn't plan on it being this bad and we will probably only be a 1 year customer. But when your not a top team kid you get screwed over at every club.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm more salty that I had to drive down there to lose and watch coaches daughter play almost the entire time.

We get it you like winning, who doesn’t? You’re salty you drove down to watch the team lose while the coach yelled at his kid who played almost the whole time all three games.

Was the player development any better last season on the Black team when we watched the same 3-4 players routinely sitting the bench or be put in goal to watch one player score what was it, 74 goals last season? Only to be encouraged and celebrated by the “professional” coach and parents keeping player statistics and provided real time updates during games in snap while they sit next to each other?

Parent coach, professional coach, it’s a culture and leadership issue all around. Not just Valor BTW, it’s everywhere. As parents, unless all of us feel the same way about what’s going on with the coach and or the team and we are all willing to discuss it publicly rather than anonymously, then nobody is going to say or do squat about it. Our choices are really to suck it up or leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like the club did quite well with their recent tournaments. They must be doing something right .

If you are someone from Valor trying to make the club look better, please just stop. A lot of the teams were at the Williamsburg tournament which isn't exactly a high level tournament. I don't care that my kid's team can go beat some teams from much smaller areas or in a lower bracket than they should be in. I care what happens when we go up against other teams in this area that are supposedly on the same level. Time and time again those teams look like they know what they're doing while our kids look unprepared. Stop patting yourselves on the back and figure it out. Or, keep doing what you're doing and lose many of your best players.

Well said. The parents buy into that crap playing mediocre teams in a sub-par tournament.

That’s because most parents don’t know. When you play in lower tiered brackets and win, the perception is you’re developing and getting better dare I say even good. Until you’re in a tournament or two and you get blown out all 3 games and don’t score a goal. Better yet, watch teams pass around you and control possession without scoring for the entire second half. That’s when this stuff starts to come out.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm more salty that I had to drive down there to lose and watch coaches daughter play almost the entire time.

We get it you like winning, who doesn’t? You’re salty you drove down to watch the team lose while the coach yelled at his kid who played almost the whole time all three games.

Was the player development any better last season on the Black team when we watched the same 3-4 players routinely sitting the bench or be put in goal to watch one player score what was it, 74 goals last season? Only to be encouraged and celebrated by the “professional” coach and parents keeping player statistics and provided real time updates during games in snap while they sit next to each other?

Parent coach, professional coach, it’s a culture and leadership issue all around. Not just Valor BTW, it’s everywhere. As parents, unless all of us feel the same way about what’s going on with the coach and or the team and we are all willing to discuss it publicly rather than anonymously, then nobody is going to say or do squat about it. Our choices are really to suck it up or leave.

Of course winning is more fun. But my daughter has already learned and accepted how to lose last year before this fantastic Valor experience.
I personally have done more than just complain on an anonymous message board. I hope others will as well if they have similar concerns. I was told I'm the only one so yes my choice now is just just sit quietly and finish out the year or quit. At least for now my daughter enjoys going to practices. Not so much the games.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm more salty that I had to drive down there to lose and watch coaches daughter play almost the entire time.

We get it you like winning, who doesn’t? You’re salty you drove down to watch the team lose while the coach yelled at his kid who played almost the whole time all three games.

Was the player development any better last season on the Black team when we watched the same 3-4 players routinely sitting the bench or be put in goal to watch one player score what was it, 74 goals last season? Only to be encouraged and celebrated by the “professional” coach and parents keeping player statistics and provided real time updates during games in snap while they sit next to each other?

Parent coach, professional coach, it’s a culture and leadership issue all around. Not just Valor BTW, it’s everywhere. As parents, unless all of us feel the same way about what’s going on with the coach and or the team and we are all willing to discuss it publicly rather than anonymously, then nobody is going to say or do squat about it. Our choices are really to suck it up or leave.

This. Easy to be a keyboard warrior when there are no consequences. Are you this vocal when you have the Valor directors within earshot, or would you rather have something to go on about here?

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Valor doofuses do read this board. I know because one vented about it in a meeting. Posting it here does inform them.
However, they don't care as long as your check clears. So telling them anonymously or in person will have the same effecr-they will pay lip service and then do nothong

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Anonymous wrote:Are you of you on here complaining going to stick with the club next fall or are you just venting?

Will certainly try out at at least obe other club. And see how the coaching assignments shake out.

Burke and Herndon are both close by and not disasters like Valor

Have had kids play at multiple clubs, and administratively, Burke has been far better run than any of the bigger ones.

I have heard good things about Burke, but it’s tough if you have a kid plays or is on track to play ECNL regional or above. They don’t have a pathway for that. Definitely thinking about it for my younger child.

They don't, which is why I think parents are also generally less toxic. But in my experience, there's no difference in level of play between ECNL-RL and top level NCSL. So for kids who just want to play with similarly-skilled kids and don't care about recruitment, it works.

I disagree. I guess it depends on how strong the ECRL team. But the better ECRL teams are equivalent to the worst ECNL teams. Same for NCSL. The best NCSL teams would be equivalent to the bottom of RL.

That said I do like Burke as a club.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you of you on here complaining going to stick with the club next fall or are you just venting?

Will certainly try out at at least obe other club. And see how the coaching assignments shake out.

Burke and Herndon are both close by and not disasters like Valor

Have had kids play at multiple clubs, and administratively, Burke has been far better run than any of the bigger ones.

I have heard good things about Burke, but it’s tough if you have a kid plays or is on track to play ECNL regional or above. They don’t have a pathway for that. Definitely thinking about it for my younger child.

They don't, which is why I think parents are also generally less toxic. But in my experience, there's no difference in level of play between ECNL-RL and top level NCSL. So for kids who just want to play with similarly-skilled kids and don't care about recruitment, it works.

I disagree. I guess it depends on how strong the ECRL team. But the better ECRL teams are equivalent to the worst ECNL teams. Same for NCSL. The best NCSL teams would be equivalent to the bottom of RL.

That said I do like Burke as a club.

Agree. Top NCSL = ECRL makes no sense. Most clubs have their first or second teams in ECRL and their second or third in top NCSL. Like you said, there are a few top NCSL teams that could be competitive with mid and low tier ECRL teams, but that’s far from the norm - and the top ECRL teams would steamroll NCSL.

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Good to know we are not the only parents who feel this way. Our daughter is on this team as well and I can’t disagree with what I’ve read here regarding the Coach. Last season we saw the growth not just in our daughter but the entire team. Parents were way more into it than now and the team was fun and exciting to watch with lots of close tourney matches where they won and lost. It is a completely different vibe and tone all around from last season.

Anyone have any popcorn DCUM never fails to deliver. I think I’m caught up but not sure if I missed something from the above.

So daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team got fired for being abusive to players but it was a “completely different vibe and tone all around” where “the parents were way more into it”, ??

No, the daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team was a DIFFERENT team than the OP team with the bait and switch parent coach with one daughter who screams at her the whole time. Two separate garbage money grabs.

OP team is 2014 White it’s not a different team another PP already confirmed it earlier in thread. By now I hope the coach has read this. It will be confirmed when his kid sits the bench this week for the first 5 minutes, he stops texting during the game, and says nothing but positive things to his kid while she’s on the field. Problem solved. Moving on.

No. OP said their team had a real coach last year and dad coach this year. 2014G white (formerly silver) had a dad coach last year with 2 kids on the team, but I think (?) that team has a “real” coach this year.

I saw the dad coach talking to that 2014 team after a game last spring. I think they had lost. The only way I can describe what he was doing is bizarre. He was being pretty mean but somehow also weird at the same time. I have never seen anything like it can can’t really describe it. Glad to hear he isn’t coaching anymore.

Valor needs to stop being so greedy and accept that they should only have no more than 3 teams at the younger ages and 2 at the older ages. Stop worrying about social media posts and start worrying about lack of player development.

Agree. 3rd, 4th and 5th teams are all money grabs. Look at the divisions your in and the level of play. Are the clubs teams really playing competitively in the tournaments they've registered for? You can medal up all day in a low level bracket or tournament, but that does not do much for development. This is on brand for Valor and they wonder why they get crushed playing in real tournaments. Its somewhat sad and pathetic. This kids are the ones that suffer.

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Good to know we are not the only parents who feel this way. Our daughter is on this team as well and I can’t disagree with what I’ve read here regarding the Coach. Last season we saw the growth not just in our daughter but the entire team. Parents were way more into it than now and the team was fun and exciting to watch with lots of close tourney matches where they won and lost. It is a completely different vibe and tone all around from last season.

Anyone have any popcorn DCUM never fails to deliver. I think I’m caught up but not sure if I missed something from the above.

So daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team got fired for being abusive to players but it was a “completely different vibe and tone all around” where “the parents were way more into it”, ??

No, the daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team was a DIFFERENT team than the OP team with the bait and switch parent coach with one daughter who screams at her the whole time. Two separate garbage money grabs.

OP team is 2014 White it’s not a different team another PP already confirmed it earlier in thread. By now I hope the coach has read this. It will be confirmed when his kid sits the bench this week for the first 5 minutes, he stops texting during the game, and says nothing but positive things to his kid while she’s on the field. Problem solved. Moving on.

No. OP said their team had a real coach last year and dad coach this year. 2014G white (formerly silver) had a dad coach last year with 2 kids on the team, but I think (?) that team has a “real” coach this year.

I saw the dad coach talking to that 2014 team after a game last spring. I think they had lost. The only way I can describe what he was doing is bizarre. He was being pretty mean but somehow also weird at the same time. I have never seen anything like it can can’t really describe it. Glad to hear he isn’t coaching anymore.

Valor needs to stop being so greedy and accept that they should only have no more than 3 teams at the younger ages and 2 at the older ages. Stop worrying about social media posts and start worrying about lack of player development.

Agree. 3rd, 4th and 5th teams are all money grabs. Look at the divisions your in and the level of play. Are the clubs teams really playing competitively in the tournaments they've registered for? You can medal up all day in a low level bracket or tournament, but that does not do much for development. This is on brand for Valor and they wonder why they get crushed playing in real tournaments. Its somewhat sad and pathetic. This kids are the ones that suffer.

Not all 3rd and 4th teams are money grabs. As far as tournaments go, take a look for your self, below is a link to the tournaments for each team in the division below from last season. Are they competitive, how many blowout losses are there?

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/results.aspx?Level=National&Country=USA&Gender=Girls&Age=11&search=Virginia+Valor&pos=

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Good to know we are not the only parents who feel this way. Our daughter is on this team as well and I can’t disagree with what I’ve read here regarding the Coach. Last season we saw the growth not just in our daughter but the entire team. Parents were way more into it than now and the team was fun and exciting to watch with lots of close tourney matches where they won and lost. It is a completely different vibe and tone all around from last season.

Anyone have any popcorn DCUM never fails to deliver. I think I’m caught up but not sure if I missed something from the above.

So daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team got fired for being abusive to players but it was a “completely different vibe and tone all around” where “the parents were way more into it”, ??

No, the daddyball coach with 2 kids on the team was a DIFFERENT team than the OP team with the bait and switch parent coach with one daughter who screams at her the whole time. Two separate garbage money grabs.

OP team is 2014 White it’s not a different team another PP already confirmed it earlier in thread. By now I hope the coach has read this. It will be confirmed when his kid sits the bench this week for the first 5 minutes, he stops texting during the game, and says nothing but positive things to his kid while she’s on the field. Problem solved. Moving on.

No. OP said their team had a real coach last year and dad coach this year. 2014G white (formerly silver) had a dad coach last year with 2 kids on the team, but I think (?) that team has a “real” coach this year.

I saw the dad coach talking to that 2014 team after a game last spring. I think they had lost. The only way I can describe what he was doing is bizarre. He was being pretty mean but somehow also weird at the same time. I have never seen anything like it can can’t really describe it. Glad to hear he isn’t coaching anymore.

Valor needs to stop being so greedy and accept that they should only have no more than 3 teams at the younger ages and 2 at the older ages. Stop worrying about social media posts and start worrying about lack of player development.

Agree. 3rd, 4th and 5th teams are all money grabs. Look at the divisions your in and the level of play. Are the clubs teams really playing competitively in the tournaments they've registered for? You can medal up all day in a low level bracket or tournament, but that does not do much for development. This is on brand for Valor and they wonder why they get crushed playing in real tournaments. Its somewhat sad and pathetic. This kids are the ones that suffer.

Not all 3rd and 4th teams are money grabs. As far as tournaments go, take a look for your self, below is a link to the tournaments for each team in the division below from last season. Are they competitive, how many blowout losses are there?

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/results.aspx?Level=National&Country=USA&Gender=Girls&Age=11&search=Virginia+Valor&pos=

Again, says Valor admin…..