ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Nope...

BY = 3 months of "misaligned" players playing up a year

SY = 1 month of "misaligned" players playing down a grade

Both are a 365 day window so regrades and holdbacks arent considered. Sorry. cheat somewhere else.

I assume this is based off an area with 9/1 school cut off, based on the SY = 1 month of misaligned players (aka, August).

Just wanted to point out that BY then has 4 months of "misaligned" players playing with the grade above them:

September
October
November
December

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Nope...

BY = 3 months of "misaligned" players playing up a year

SY = 1 month of "misaligned" players playing down a grade

Both are a 365 day window so regrades and holdbacks arent considered. Sorry. cheat somewhere else.

I assume this is based off an area with 9/1 school cut off, based on the SY = 1 month of misaligned players (aka, August).

Just wanted to point out that BY then has 4 months of "misaligned" players playing with the grade above them:

September
October
November
December

Good catch but it doesn't change anything. Overall the same with one more month of trapped players playing up.

[Anonymous]

So, the primary reason of importance for any U16 "trapped player" is
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RECRUITING.
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If your kid is a trapped player, playing with Sophomores, they are being hurt when colleges are scouting the non trapped players. This is their "primary exposure". The best players for that team will get picked off early, leaving the second tear choices the next year, when the trapped player will need that exposure. If my kid is a trapped player, unless her current team is filled with world beaters, all things being equal, I want my kid playing down.

For better exposure to college scouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the primary reason of importance for any U16 "trapped player" is
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RECRUITING.
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If your kid is a trapped player, playing with Sophomores, they are being hurt when colleges are scouting the non trapped players. This is their "primary exposure". The best players for that team will get picked off early, leaving the second tear choices the next year, when the trapped player will need that exposure. If my kid is a trapped player, unless her current team is filled with world beaters, all things being equal, I want my kid playing down.

For better exposure to college scouts.

No brainer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:BY guy is excited to be able to play that last year as a cheat...then next year BY guy can't cheat anymore. No more playing against players in a younger grade for the Jan to July kids. such cheaters they have been the last few years.

This thinking is so off. I've personally seen many examples where a Aug-Dec kid is in the HIGHER grade OR where a Jan-July is in the LOWER grade. These decisions, BTW, had to do with maturity and academics, not sports. This shift doesn't help any of them and underscores how grade is less of a factor than people believe and kids playing against other grades will continue.

Changing from BY to SY trades 3 months of players playing up a grade for 1 month of players playing down a grade.

Which option do you think will result in better players?

Which option do you think will result in more money for clubs?

It's more than the baked-in misalignments, tho. All the cases on one team I am aware of (3) are parents who either redshirted OR the reverse (which still happens even though no longer the IT thing to do like it was back in the 80s and 90s).

I think globally the change is good for youth soccer BUT still causes problems for individuals AND might be a unfortunate curveball for some during this transition while perhaps helping others.

The same number of players are born first or born last no matter when the cutoff is defined if its always a 365 day window.

The benefit of 8/1-7/31 is no trapped players in 8th grade.

The problem with 8/1-7/31 is some August birthday players (depending on school district) can play down on a team with mostly players a grade below them in school.

Just to be fair...

The benefit of 1/1-12/31 is that the dates are complely seperate from school which means grade in School doesn't come into play. When you mix grade in school with teams you open the door to hold backs and regrades trying to play down for wins. "It's not fair my 16 year old freshman cant play on a team with kids in their grade." or "My kid is homeschooled so we'll just pick the grade team we think they should play on."

Sorry, but you reduce BUT not eliminate 8th-grade trapped kids. This is because of grade misalignment, because states are different OR if parents don't have the kid in the grade most do.

Nope...

BY = 3 months of "misaligned" players playing up a year

SY = 1 month of "misaligned" players playing down a grade

Both are a 365 day window so regrades and holdbacks arent considered. Sorry. cheat somewhere else.

I think the only way, if you want to be more than 365 days and can actually go to 24 months, is to do biobanding in MLS. You can then cheat your way in with a legal reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, the primary reason of importance for any U16 "trapped player" is
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RECRUITING.
------

If your kid is a trapped player, playing with Sophomores, they are being hurt when colleges are scouting the non trapped players. This is their "primary exposure". The best players for that team will get picked off early, leaving the second tear choices the next year, when the trapped player will need that exposure. If my kid is a trapped player, unless her current team is filled with world beaters, all things being equal, I want my kid playing down.

For better exposure to college scouts.

Kind of...

Sometimes coaches/recruiters will prioritize players that played up with an older grade. So its not always true that trapped players are getting screwed over.

Also players initiate contact with coaches. If the coaches like what they see online they might check out players at an event. This is important because coaches arent shopping while walking around events. For the most part.

[Anonymous]

But...

It's 1000% true that players playing down a grade WILL NOT be recruited if they're graduating a year before 99% of their team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Nope...

BY = 3 months of "misaligned" players playing up a year

SY = 1 month of "misaligned" players playing down a grade

Both are a 365 day window so regrades and holdbacks arent considered. Sorry. cheat somewhere else.

I assume this is based off an area with 9/1 school cut off, based on the SY = 1 month of misaligned players (aka, August).

Just wanted to point out that BY then has 4 months of "misaligned" players playing with the grade above them:

September
October
November
December

Depends on your school district, Ours Cut-Off is 1 October. So yes, BY =3 Months Mis-Aligned (OCT, NOV, DEC) & SY =2 months Mis-Aligned (AUG, SEP)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But...

It's 1000% true that players playing down a grade WILL NOT be recruited if they're graduating a year before 99% of their team.

That’s where GY showcases come in for U17 and GY for everyone for U19.

I’ve already reached out to ECNL and was told all players in their senior year of high school will be eligible to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But...

It's 1000% true that players playing down a grade WILL NOT be recruited if they're graduating a year before 99% of their team.

That’s where GY showcases come in for U17 and GY for everyone for U19.

I’ve already reached out to ECNL and was told all players in their senior year of high school will be eligible to play.

ECNL already allows seniors to play with their grade.

This is because by senior year everyeone worth recruiting has already signed. Signed players dont want to play because they might get hurt which makes it hard to field teams. Which is why people's team care about older players playing down their Senior year.

[Anonymous]

For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

Most ECNL/GA kids do not have offers going into their senior year either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

Most ECNL/GA kids do not have offers going into their senior year either.

What planet are you from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

Most ECNL/GA kids do not have offers going into their senior year either.

What planet are you from?

There are about 300 ENCL/GA teams. Average team size of 17. That is 5100 players just in ENCL/GA. There are not 5100 offer spots available (offers being D1 and D2) per year. That is why most don't have offers going into their senior year. Yes, P4 kids are 98% committed before senior year. if that is what you are talking about, then you are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For freshman - junior year not letting cheaters play down is incredibly important.

Eveytime this happens an of age player gets screwed out of their opportunity to get recruited. Keep in mind that the older player trying to cheat by playing down could have played on a team with players their age. They're just choosing not to and taking your kids opportunity.

Most ECNL/GA kids do not have offers going into their senior year either.

What planet are you from?

There are about 300 ENCL/GA teams. Average team size of 17. That is 5100 players just in ENCL/GA. There are not 5100 offer spots available (offers being D1 and D2) per year. That is why most don't have offers going into their senior year. Yes, P4 kids are 98% committed before senior year. if that is what you are talking about, then you are correct.

Recruiting doesn't just occur in a single game. It's a process that occurs over several years. A player might be communicating with multiple college coaches not just D1 between sophomore and junior year. There will be games when players ask coaches to start because a college coach is watching, etc etc etc.

Allowing older players to play down on younger teams steals the of age players opportunities to get recruited. Even worse if theyre a grade up in school playing down on a lower level team coaches wont take them seriously.

GY is just a bad situation all round that incentivizes parents to hold their kids back in school for wins. It doesnt happen in Club soccer because parents fund the teams via p2p. Don't be stupid parents. When players get older wins don't matter as much as playing time. Don't let the GY cheaters screw your kid out of playing in college.