student admissions and TJ lawsuit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coalition for TJ got crushed. Judge canceled the trial scheduled for next week.

Bad take. Judge, who previously declined to dismiss the case, said he can rule from the bench because the material facts are not in dispute.

And some of those facts are anything but favorable to FCPS.

While it's theoretically possible for him to rule for the plaintiffs, I think that it's much more likely that this signals a favorable conclusion for FCPS. Kinda how all those recalls for board members are going. Anybody can sue anybody for anything. You need actual legal grounds to win.

Another bad take.

This is a federal lawsuit, not a state-law recall procedure.

If the suit were frivolous, the judge would have granted FCPS's prior motion to dismiss the case for failure to state a claim. He did not do so, and that allowed the plaintiffs to go ahead and obtain discovery in the case, some of which indicates that FCPS's intentions were race-driven.

What the judge did earlier this week is indicate that he's prepared to rule on motions for summary judgment, because the key facts are evident, and there's no need to convene a jury to resolve disputed facts. He may rule for the plaintiffs, or he may rule for FCPS, but the fact that he's going to issue an opinion in the first instance actually expedites the inevitable appeals that will be taken here. In fact, there's a reasonably good chance it may make its way to the Supreme Court, and then Justices Breyer, Kagan, and Sotomayor will be the only ones defending what FCPS has done.

But here’s the thing… courts can mandate that a policy be removed, but they cannot mandate that a policy be reinstated. All a victory would do is force FCPS to come up with another way to accomplish the same goal. And they will.

Elect a new School Board in late 2023. Then you’ll get what you want.

Judges have discretion in fashioning the relief they consider appropriate.

And change could come to a Governor’s School before 2023 or if the state Senate flips Republican in 2023. It’s not all about what the FCPS School Board wants when it comes to TJ.

State Senate elections in Virginia are happening at the same time as the School Board elections. They're in November of 2023, meaning that policy change won't happen until January 2024.

[Anonymous]

It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Qarni lent his support to the effort, and put his foot in his mouth more than a few times in the process, but the changes weren’t driven by him. They were driven by the School Board and Brabrand. The genesis was when the admissions numbers for 2024 were released in the days immediately following George Floyd’s murder at the hands of the state of Minnesota. TJAAG brought the numbers to the ensuing Board meeting, and things started moving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

Not so clear-cut if you look at the data of who benefited. Divide and rule in an old game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the some families think their kids deserve to be at TJ and think some changes in admissions have blocked their kids in the name of diversity and wokeness, send your kids to Basis. It’s better than TJ anyway.

Sure, if the county will pay for it . . .

Looking for a free ride?

FU. I pay taxes. Hardly a free ride.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

Apart from the fact that they acknowledges they were reverse engineering the process to benefit certain minorities at the expense of others and that it was anti-Asian?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

Apart from the fact that they acknowledges they were reverse engineering the process to benefit certain minorities at the expense of others and that it was anti-Asian?

and the whites

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

Apart from the fact that they acknowledges they were reverse engineering the process to benefit certain minorities at the expense of others and that it was anti-Asian?

and the whites

They don’t want any smoke with the whites though. Those other groups have long been getting screwed over. Keep screwing them over and give the spots they deserve to the Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the some families think their kids deserve to be at TJ and think some changes in admissions have blocked their kids in the name of diversity and wokeness, send your kids to Basis. It’s better than TJ anyway.

Sure, if the county will pay for it . . .

Looking for a free ride?

FU. I pay taxes. Hardly a free ride.

Your taxes will pay for a nice quality experience at Lewis High.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

This is where there is a lot of noise.

As an Asian I have no issues with a process that yields better outcomes for URMs at TJ. I totally get the impact of inter-generational discrimination against the AA community and I am supportive of affirmative action that should yield a class like the one for TJ’25.

My issue is that was rushed through last year was politically expedient and flawed from a process perspective. There was no need for the hurry from the board and Braband. They could have taken time and consulted folks. But they could not wait because politics came before student welfare.

So this is about doing the right thing- affirmative action and a well thought out process vetted via wide consultation. This is not about Asians vs URMs. Bug that narrative suits the extremists on all sides

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

This is where there is a lot of noise.

As an Asian I have no issues with a process that yields better outcomes for URMs at TJ. I totally get the impact of inter-generational discrimination against the AA community and I am supportive of affirmative action that should yield a class like the one for TJ’25.

My issue is that was rushed through last year was politically expedient and flawed from a process perspective. There was no need for the hurry from the board and Braband. They could have taken time and consulted folks. But they could not wait because politics came before student welfare.

So this is about doing the right thing- affirmative action and a well thought out process vetted via wide consultation. This is not about Asians vs URMs. Bug that narrative suits the extremists on all sides

Let's be honest here. The narrative and the results suit the majority community - in more than one way. And definitely doesn't hurt them....The focus should be to increase quality of programs at home schools. Not drag down TJ. So much damage and bitter feelings. Not good for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the VDOE under Youngkin would have policy levers over Governor's Schools in Virginia prior to the 2023 elections.

After all, it was Atif Qarni's demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools come up with "diversity plans" that led Brabrand to change the TJ admissions process.

At a minimum, the VDOE might demand that local school systems operating Governor's Schools not employ certain "experience factors" in their admissions processes that are understood to discriminate against some students based on their SES in order to benefit other students.

Is there some reason that it is difficult to understand that benefiting students who come from disadvantaged situations is not discriminating against students who come from advantaged situations?

This is where there is a lot of noise.

As an Asian I have no issues with a process that yields better outcomes for URMs at TJ. I totally get the impact of inter-generational discrimination against the AA community and I am supportive of affirmative action that should yield a class like the one for TJ’25.

My issue is that was rushed through last year was politically expedient and flawed from a process perspective. There was no need for the hurry from the board and Braband. They could have taken time and consulted folks. But they could not wait because politics came before student welfare.

So this is about doing the right thing- affirmative action and a well thought out process vetted via wide consultation. This is not about Asians vs URMs. Bug that narrative suits the extremists on all sides

Wow, it says a lot why Asians are discriminated in this country. You don't even give a damn about your own interest and pretend other races would care for you. Simply stupid.

[Anonymous]

I am an asian and I do not mind making changes to increase the diversity. However, I hate to say its not well thought out and not all factors were taken into consideration. AAP center schools are at a disadvantage as every school gets the same minimum quota and its a lot easier to get into TJ from a non AAP center school than AAP center school. Also, there is no preference for a smarter or hard working kid who took all honors courses in middle school along with Geo HN/Algebra II HN and STEM focus electives compared to someone who just took the easier route of Algebra I in 8th grade and got the similar GPA. In my opinion TJ will be slowly watered down in over all quality as it is forced to cater to a much wider range of students than earlier, though still going to be better than other high schools in the area.

[Anonymous]

TJ is definitely worse off because they are allowing in non aap students. They don't have the academic levels to thrive at the school. I hate to see what their grades will be this semester.