Top 100 undergrad CS by US News

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I work for BAH and we just hired five fresh of the boat graduates from CMU, UVA, VT, JMU and Penn State. They get the same salary, 100K, except the graduate from JMU got 10K more because he has experience with Amazon Cloud computing and the others do not.

I don’t know of anyone getting 200k or 400k right out of college.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

Yale is not exactly a CS or tech powerhouse so it's between Caltech and UCB. Comes down to fit, I guess. I'm assuming he got into EECS.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for BAH and we just hired five fresh of the boat graduates from CMU, UVA, VT, JMU and Penn State. They get the same salary, 100K, except the graduate from JMU got 10K more because he has experience with Amazon Cloud computing and the others do not.

I don’t know of anyone getting 200k or 400k right out of college.

For the student cohort at CMU, BAH is bottom of the pile. At UVA it's somewhere in the middle and the other 3 schools, they would be thrilled to get into BAH. The top 50% of the kids at CMU and top 20% of the kids out of UVA, get the bigger offers, though 400k is probably an "imaginary number".

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Anonymous wrote:I work for BAH and we just hired five fresh of the boat graduates from CMU, UVA, VT, JMU and Penn State. They get the same salary, 100K, except the graduate from JMU got 10K more because he has experience with Amazon Cloud computing and the others do not.

I don’t know of anyone getting 200k or 400k right out of college.

200k+ is going to be quite hard for a new grad in DC, but in SF, NYC, Seattle, BOS, etc. it’s a different story.

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Anonymous wrote:Where Top 3 Tech CEO's of today went to school for undergraduate engineering and their global rankings:

1. Google - Sundar Pichai: IIT Chennai, ranked #275 (followed by a Stanford masters degree)

2. Microsoft - Satya Nadella: Manipal Institute of technology, ranked #1056 (followed by masters from UW-Milwaukee - rank #300, and MBA from Chicago-Booth)

3. IBM - Arvind Krishna: IIT Kanpur, ranked #350 (followed by MS, PhD UIUC)

Right, so according to DCUM experts these gentlemen couldn't get into Top 10 or Ivy's for undergraduate and so they were doomed for life to sit in that dark cubicle earning $75k. Oh, and look at that Microsoft CEO who did his Masters in Engineering from lowly UW-Milwaukee, isn't that just a low ranked regional center of U-Wisconsin .. LOL

What business these people have in getting jobs at these companies, let alone rise to the top. Folks, get a grip, a HS may not get into some school because they are too young to realize their true potential, many are focused on sports, video games, and just plain enjoying being teens. There is a reason why majors don't need to be declared before Junior year in college, at age 20, that's when they truly start realizing their capabilities and what they want to do with it. Shame on those of you who try to insult the kids who couldn't get into UVA or UMD as incapable of doing anything better in their life. You must be a really sad parent. Some kids who go to any state school will do very well, if they realize their capabilities later in life, some won't, and some who go to top schools will drop out, burn out, or will not materialize the promise they once showed. That's life.

IIT is like Harvard/MIT in India. I know some Indian colleagues who constantly remind everyone they went to IIT. You just proved elite college does matter.

That's like saying the Top engineering school in any country is like their Harvard, does that make equal to Harvard, no it doesn't, they are still ranked #275 and #350, and #1056 globally. That's where they are ranked qualitatively. Elite schools matter in the head of those stuck on prestige to feel good about themselves, like yourself, others place themselves above all that and get what they want.

You picked a school to contradict your own argument. You are probably better off spewing the common anecdote here -- "someone graduated from podunk state manages several Ivy grads", or "GMU grad is making millions at age of 22". For an Indian back then, getting into IIT is more difficult than an American getting into Harvard/MIT. IIT is THE elite college for Indians. I have no idea whether that has anything to do with their hiring but it certainly didn't hurt their chances.

The reality is elite colleges admit higher quality students. The education they provided is superior to average schools. On every piece of resume, whether it's for fresh out of college, or 30 years into workforce, education is always listed. Selective employers use it to do an initial screen to lessen their effort for recruiting. It's only one data point. But it is an important one especially for fresh graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

There's a story of an Indian family that forced their kid to turn down Stanford for Haverford. By the time the family discovered that Haverford is not Harvard, it was too late for that poor kid. OOS Cal goes for the same price as CalTech. PP probably thought Cal was short for CalTech. Too late for the poor kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

Yale is not exactly a CS or tech powerhouse so it's between Caltech and UCB. Comes down to fit, I guess. I'm assuming he got into EECS.

For that TJ student, that was the rational decision, even if it was L&S, for CS. For MET and EECS, even more so. EECS is such a tough admit (sub 5% acceptance rates with no second choice possible) and MET even lower.
But Yale is such a special experience to forego so I'm sure some tears were shed on decision day.

These type of choices occur each year between a specialized "fit" and a liberal arts destination. Over the last few years, at TJ, majority x-admits to Harvard/MIT and Harvard/Stanford have gone on to MIT and Stanford.

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You picked a school to contradict your own argument. You are probably better off spewing the common anecdote here -- "someone graduated from podunk state manages several Ivy grads", or "GMU grad is making millions at age of 22". For an Indian back then, getting into IIT is more difficult than an American getting into Harvard/MIT. IIT is THE elite college for Indians. I have no idea whether that has anything to do with their hiring but it certainly didn't hurt their chances.

The reality is elite colleges admit higher quality students. The education they provided is superior to average schools. On every piece of resume, whether it's for fresh out of college, or 30 years into workforce, education is always listed. Selective employers use it to do an initial screen to lessen their effort for recruiting. It's only one data point. But it is an important one especially for fresh graduates.

IIT is a collection of colleges, some are ranked higher, some are lower. The ones in question are not so highly ranked.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/india

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

There's a story of an Indian family that forced their kid to turn down Stanford for Haverford. By the time the family discovered that Haverford is not Harvard, it was too late for that poor kid. OOS Cal goes for the same price as CalTech. PP probably thought Cal was short for CalTech. Too late for the poor kid.

Stop with the BS. This post helps no one and is certainly false. You think a kid smart enough to get admitted to Stanford didn't know where he applied?

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You picked a school to contradict your own argument. You are probably better off spewing the common anecdote here -- "someone graduated from podunk state manages several Ivy grads", or "GMU grad is making millions at age of 22". For an Indian back then, getting into IIT is more difficult than an American getting into Harvard/MIT. IIT is THE elite college for Indians. I have no idea whether that has anything to do with their hiring but it certainly didn't hurt their chances.

The reality is elite colleges admit higher quality students. The education they provided is superior to average schools. On every piece of resume, whether it's for fresh out of college, or 30 years into workforce, education is always listed. Selective employers use it to do an initial screen to lessen their effort for recruiting. It's only one data point. But it is an important one especially for fresh graduates.

IIT is a collection of colleges, some are ranked higher, some are lower. The ones in question are not so highly ranked.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/india

Curious to know which IIT is widely considered the best, 25 years ago and today? Is it like a UC that you have UCB/UCLA, and many others? My Indian colleagues said either Madras or Kharagpur be the best, probably because they went there. I had thought Pichai went to Kharagpur, not the one PP listed.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale is not exactly a CS or tech powerhouse so it's between Caltech and UCB. Comes down to fit, I guess. I'm assuming he got into EECS.

For that TJ student, that was the rational decision, even if it was L&S, for CS. For MET and EECS, even more so. EECS is such a tough admit (sub 5% acceptance rates with no second choice possible) and MET even lower.
But Yale is such a special experience to forego so I'm sure some tears were shed on decision day.

These type of choices occur each year between a specialized "fit" and a liberal arts destination. Over the last few years, at TJ, majority x-admits to Harvard/MIT and Harvard/Stanford have gone on to MIT and Stanford.

"Yale is such a special experience to forego"

Maybe? Every college can be a special experience, depends on what interests the kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

There's a story of an Indian family that forced their kid to turn down Stanford for Haverford. By the time the family discovered that Haverford is not Harvard, it was too late for that poor kid. OOS Cal goes for the same price as CalTech. PP probably thought Cal was short for CalTech. Too late for the poor kid.

My kid certainly knew Caltech and Berkeley aka Cal were 2 different schools and wasn't forced to attend any schools.

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You picked a school to contradict your own argument. You are probably better off spewing the common anecdote here -- "someone graduated from podunk state manages several Ivy grads", or "GMU grad is making millions at age of 22". For an Indian back then, getting into IIT is more difficult than an American getting into Harvard/MIT. IIT is THE elite college for Indians. I have no idea whether that has anything to do with their hiring but it certainly didn't hurt their chances.

The reality is elite colleges admit higher quality students. The education they provided is superior to average schools. On every piece of resume, whether it's for fresh out of college, or 30 years into workforce, education is always listed. Selective employers use it to do an initial screen to lessen their effort for recruiting. It's only one data point. But it is an important one especially for fresh graduates.

This is a load of B.S. I know IIT, and I know IIT grads, worked with a few of them, still do, and have interviewed/hired a few. So, don't give me the B.S about it is the Harvard of India. They are good engineers, no question, some are better than the others, period, and not all of them are Harvard material if they have to compete on merit alone. There were at least 3 IIT engineers I hired on a contract a while back, when I was a Tech lead who wasn't up to the same level in programming as one of my other engineers from a state college, what does that mean? just like everywhere getting into a particular school by breaking through an qualifying test or graduating won't make you automatically stand out, neither does going to a state college make you any lesser. Obviously there is a higher chance you get better quality at a top school, but that doesn't prevent the candidate with quality from state school to stand out in front of employers. Anyone who is claiming otherwise have not been involved in the hiring process, or you were just a poor hiring manager who just looks at the college someone attended to pick resume. When I select, I look at all data points and will never rule out a candidate because they attended a state college.

Lastly, the folks who are responding to my example of these tech CEO's are missing the whole point of that post. Those guys did not get where they are because of their undergrad school, but what they did after, going to Stanford, UIUC, and Chicago-Booth, that's the point, sometimes you get a head start by going to a elite school early, sometimes you get there later, it doesn't matter, quality will find a way. Some kids don't get opportunity to attend elite schools right out of college, not because they are not smart, but many other reasons including late maturity, socio-economic status, parents education, exposure to good school, many reasons. The DCUM posters who write off the kids who go to bottom 50 school here are really poor parents. Kids should be encouraged to continue to do well and work hard no matter where they go, instead of telling them your opportunities are shut out just because you didn't get into Harvard. Jeez!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I work for BAH and we just hired five fresh of the boat graduates from CMU, UVA, VT, JMU and Penn State. They get the same salary, 100K, except the graduate from JMU got 10K more because he has experience with Amazon Cloud computing and the others do not.

I don’t know of anyone getting 200k or 400k right out of college.

For the student cohort at CMU, BAH is bottom of the pile. At UVA it's somewhere in the middle and the other 3 schools, they would be thrilled to get into BAH. The top 50% of the kids at CMU and top 20% of the kids out of UVA, get the bigger offers, though 400k is probably an "imaginary number".

Oh the hubris. BAH run multi-million dollar contracts all across the DMV area, they partner with all of the mega tech companies as implementation partners, and can give a fresh graduate opportunities to rise to a level they can like almost anywhere else. Wonder how may of you folks have any clue of Tech and what working at FAANG really means, just checkout some of the YouTube videos of the folks who got burned out slaving at FB and Google. Life isn't a bed of roses for a Tech at FAANG, it's not anywhere, it's what you make of it. Someone got hired for $100K at a top integrator right out of college, and the response to that is "oh well they are bottom pile", do you have kids? what do they do I wonder.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you pick Berkeley over Harvard Yale and Princeton for CS?

If CS is what your child definitely wants to do and its a good fit. Yes

My kid chose Berkeley over Caltech and Yale for CS.

If in-state, that makes sense.

He was a TJ grad.

There's a story of an Indian family that forced their kid to turn down Stanford for Haverford. By the time the family discovered that Haverford is not Harvard, it was too late for that poor kid. OOS Cal goes for the same price as CalTech. PP probably thought Cal was short for CalTech. Too late for the poor kid.

My kid certainly knew Caltech and Berkeley aka Cal were 2 different schools and wasn't forced to attend any schools.

You obviously don't know these schools. That's not how CalTech is spelled.