MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Maybe evaluate the boundaries you have for acceptable behavior toward a young child - a FIVE year old.

It’s one thing to pick up the child, let him know in no uncertain terms the behavior was totally unacceptable, and to coordinate with the parent to determine an appropriate path forward. This could include suspension, etc.

It’s another thing to berate, terrorize, and threaten a child with physical harm for over 50 minutes. That’s despicable and completely out of bounds of professional behavior, let alone how any LEO and school should treat a child. Can you as an adult imagine a scenario where you were detained by police who threatened physical harm to you for almost an hour? How would you feel?

Also, how the hell did a child leave the school to begin with? Again, we’re talking a five year old. Where were the responsible adults who are supposed to ensure that young children don’t just walk off school property. If this were a 15 year old, different situation. This is a FIVE year old.

Nothing from the any articles I’ve read suggested the student was unsupervised. We’ve heard one side- the lawyers.

[Anonymous]

I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Maybe evaluate the boundaries you have for acceptable behavior toward a young child - a FIVE year old.

It’s one thing to pick up the child, let him know in no uncertain terms the behavior was totally unacceptable, and to coordinate with the parent to determine an appropriate path forward. This could include suspension, etc.

It’s another thing to berate, terrorize, and threaten a child with physical harm for over 50 minutes. That’s despicable and completely out of bounds of professional behavior, let alone how any LEO and school should treat a child. Can you as an adult imagine a scenario where you were detained by police who threatened physical harm to you for almost an hour? How would you feel?

Also, how the hell did a child leave the school to begin with? Again, we’re talking a five year old. Where were the responsible adults who are supposed to ensure that young children don’t just walk off school property. If this were a 15 year old, different situation. This is a FIVE year old.

Nothing from the any articles I’ve read suggested the student was unsupervised. We’ve heard one side- the lawyers.

The cop is awake and posting again. Your coworker is toast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

I bet these 2 cops will never abuse a child again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was the lawsuit was filed before mom and lawyer saw the video? If so, was it the cruiser ride back to the school that triggered the suit?

Moco is notoriously slow at releasing body cam.

Oh the video is very damning and these cops are in serious trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

I bet these 2 cops will never abuse a child again.

That too. The cops were over the top for sure. But the child is safe and unharmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Well, there are terrible parents and you sound like one. If you have kids snd you think it’s okay to tell a kid they deserve to be beaten get therapy.

We haven’t seen the recordings to know what was said.

We have quotes from the video and you can lie in a suit.

Listen miss blue lives matter, you should want better coworkers, stop defending these horrible cops. Clean house and be better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

I bet these 2 cops will never abuse a child again.

That too. The cops were over the top for sure. But the child is safe and unharmed.

Unharmed? They told him he should be beaten 20 times. Most scars are invisible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

I bet these 2 cops will never abuse a child again.

That too. The cops were over the top for sure. But the child is safe and unharmed.

Unharmed? They told him he should be beaten 20 times. Most scars are invisible.

He didn’t get hit by a car, he didn’t get kidnapped, he didn’t wander off into the woods by himself where it would be much harder to find him. I mean come on. Get real.

[Anonymous]

You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd like to see the body cam as you are just getting the parents side who was not there. That kid needs a SN child care setting if they are eloping. There is far more to this story.

A 5 year old taking off—especially if his house is near school—is not so far outside the norm that it suggests “special
needs.” This does raise the question of how he was supervised when he took off, though.

At any rate, needing a special needs child care setting does not mean the cops get to talk about beating you incessantly.

My kids went to an elementary school in Bethesda - it would have been not too difficult for a child to run off during recess, or on the walk to/from the bathroom out a side door (especially since portable classrooms were in use). Many young children are impulsive. The fact that a 5 year old child left school grounds isn’t a sign he has special needs nor necessarily that the school was neglectful - there are gaps when this could happen even in a typically careful school.

And even if there is “another side” to this story, it is outrageous that a 5 year old was told he could be beaten and that he was handcuffed as a scare tactic. Outrageous. This is the very opposite of “community policing,” and would have made me terrified of and not trusting in the police. Does it merit a lawsuit- I can’t answer that, but the fact that there is a lawsuit hopefully means police are going to be better trained in the area of dealing with kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Well, there are terrible parents and you sound like one. If you have kids snd you think it’s okay to tell a kid they deserve to be beaten get therapy.

We haven’t seen the recordings to know what was said.

We have quotes from the video and you can lie in a suit.

Listen miss blue lives matter, you should want better coworkers, stop defending these horrible cops. Clean house and be better.

We have "quotes" as summarized by the family's lawyer. That's not an objective source at all. And you are right (although I assume it was a typo) you can lie -- or at least greatly distort -- is a lawsuit.

Let me put it this way, if in an answer to the complaint, the cop's attorney provides his own, very different, summary of the video will you take that as gospel as well? You wouldn't, nor should you. Your error is in treating any lawyer's rendition of facts as necessarily accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

NP but yes. It's easy to Google them and see they are both Black (actually only 100% sure of one of them, 75% on the other). Of course, I assumed from the quoted AAVE-adjacent dialogue that at least one was.

Let's say both officers were Black and so was the boy. This is what I have been assuming. And I've also been assuming that there is a racist element to this story.

Do you somehow think that the racist construction of childhood or the adultification of Black boys does not come into play? Do you think POC cannot perpetuate white supremacy*? Lots of POC think it is their job to toughen up and/or perpetuate fear of white institutions among kids of their own race. Open a book.

As for the school's reaction or involvement, which is a little less clear, the principal and vice principal are both white. But whatever.

*I mean, of course you think that. You almost certainly think an incident can only possibly be racist if someone white directly applies the N-word with a hard R to a Black person, and even then, rap music is probably to blame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. SRO’s are human and make the same mistakes as the rest of us. This kid must have resisted in every way possible, leaving the officer few options. But obviously he lost his cool and should know better. The kid belongs in a locked facility though.

These were not SROs. I think that distinction is incredibly important. They are patrol officers. And if you get rid of SROs, you'll have patrol officers responding to the schools. Most of the time that will be fine. But this incident sounds really bad.....

Wrong 1 was an SRO.

Where the heck are people getting this? ESS does not have SROs. There's no indication that either of these people were SROs. Someone said one was, in the past-- of course that doesn't mean they were any good, or that we need SROs, especially if they are going to behave this way.