MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another ESS mom here. I hope this story goes national as an undeniable example of racism and police brutality. A 5 year old verbally assaulted and traumatized for 50 minutes. Yes I’m making assumptions about race but I have a student in this grade and believe I do know the family. Absolutely unacceptable.

This is why we have all the race problems. White is bad and always to blame. We don't know the entire situation in less you are going to tell us what happens din that grade or school but if this is happening you may want to pull your child from that school as something doesn't sound right.

Funny thing how the PP didn't mention anything about white people being bad or to blame. I guess hit dogs holler though.

[Anonymous]

ES in MCPS have shared SROs, not dedicated ones. Or they might have called in the MS SRO for an elopement case.

Regardless, there’s no excuse for the way they allegedly spoke to the child and especially so if it was an SRO that has been trained to work with youth. The officer clearly brought his or her own views about parenting (eg that corporal punishment is appropriate and necessary for a 5 year old) which was unprofessional, inappropriate and counter productive. Next time the kid runs away from school, he will hide better and run like the blazes when he sees a cop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its not appropriate for a police officer to say mom will spank you as that's a parenting choice but I would fully expect a police office to pick up a child and put them in a car to return them to school I would assume the child was continuing to act up with price but we don't know until we saw the video. My big concern is what happened at school to make this child leave? Was the child bullied? Threatened? Special needs? Kids don't typically elope except in SN or feeling upset or threatened.

Nope. Spanking is not appropriate. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet he never leaves school on his own again.

Then you know very little about child development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe evaluate the boundaries you have for acceptable behavior toward a young child - a FIVE year old.

It’s one thing to pick up the child, let him know in no uncertain terms the behavior was totally unacceptable, and to coordinate with the parent to determine an appropriate path forward. This could include suspension, etc.

It’s another thing to berate, terrorize, and threaten a child with physical harm for over 50 minutes. That’s despicable and completely out of bounds of professional behavior, let alone how any LEO and school should treat a child. Can you as an adult imagine a scenario where you were detained by police who threatened physical harm to you for almost an hour? How would you feel?

Also, how the hell did a child leave the school to begin with? Again, we’re talking a five year old. Where were the responsible adults who are supposed to ensure that young children don’t just walk off school property. If this were a 15 year old, different situation. This is a FIVE year old.

Teachers have 2 eyes, usually pointing in the same direction. It's not that hard for a kid to slip out. Heck, just go to the bathroom and don't come back...

We're running schools. Not prisons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. So the gist of it, if my 5 1/2 year old eloped from school, and school employees were unable to stop him at the school property line and had to call the police. Then if it took officers 50 minutes and a bunch of “your mom is going to spank you when you get home” and a ride in the cruiser back to school...

I’d be angry... not at the school or police officers but at my child. I can’t imagine ever thinking I was entitled to money because of this. Without seeing the video, I may have a different opinion but I’m not going to take the lawyer’s play by play.

Well, there are terrible parents and you sound like one. If you have kids snd you think it’s okay to tell a kid they deserve to be beaten get therapy.

We haven’t seen the recordings to know what was said.

We have quotes from the video and you can lie in a suit.

Listen miss blue lives matter, you should want better coworkers, stop defending these horrible cops. Clean house and be better.

We have "quotes" as summarized by the family's lawyer. That's not an objective source at all. And you are right (although I assume it was a typo) you can lie -- or at least greatly distort -- is a lawsuit.

Let me put it this way, if in an answer to the complaint, the cop's attorney provides his own, very different, summary of the video will you take that as gospel as well? You wouldn't, nor should you. Your error is in treating any lawyer's rendition of facts as necessarily accurate.

Generally I agree with you that you can’t take on side of the story. But I just can’t imagine any defense for the specific facts cited. And there are serious consequences for a lawyer who misrepresents facts to the Court, so I can’t believe the Complaint misquotes the video.
The stuff about raised voices and manhandling the child, I’ll give you, as that’s pretty subjective. But the specific words used referencing beating the child just are not acceptable and don’t appear to be lawyerly shading of facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Moco is notoriously slow at releasing body cam.

Oh the video is very damning and these cops are in serious trouble.

It's a video of a 5 year old. MoCo may never release it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That too. The cops were over the top for sure. But the child is safe and unharmed.

"Unharmed"? I doubt that. Mental health counts, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

It's irrelevant. The thread is the story.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was the lawsuit was filed before mom and lawyer saw the video? If so, was it the cruiser ride back to the school that triggered the suit?

Moco is notoriously slow at releasing body cam.

Oh the video is very damning and these cops are in serious trouble.

Where did you view it? Can you share the link?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

It's irrelevant. The thread is the story.

well it is relevant. if it was black officers mistreating a black child, that changes the narrative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

It's irrelevant. The thread is the story.

well it is relevant. if it was black officers mistreating a black child, that changes the narrative.

It doesn't change the way this kid has been adultified in this thread. That's happening because he is assumed to be black, not because of anyone's particular belief about the race of the police.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this really confusing. It's hard to know what happened. I am always suspicious when there is just one side, especially when that side is the lawyers representing one person.

One one hand, the kid ran away from school. One of the things that the article objects to seems to be that the police picked up the kid, put him in the car and drove him back to school. To me, that's what I'd expect. The police's first job in that circumstance is definitely to get the kid back to the adults who are caring for him. Yes, being "placed in a squad car" (one of the things they object to) is scary, but I'm not sure how else they should get the child back to school

It sounds like some of the things they said while they were doing it were out of line, but honestly without the other side it's just hard to say.

I don’t understand why they are objecting to this part. The yelling and kid handcuffs are way out of line, but I take it with a grain of salt since they’re making a big deal about being “placed in a squad car”.

At one point they also object to the fact that they used the word "now" when talking to the kid, and that they asked him to sit down in the office.

Our police need way more training in dealing with people who are mentally ill, which almost certainly includes this child. What they're describing isn't OK. The words the officer used aren't OK. But this isn't a million dollar police brutality case. This is an officer with a very out of control child, who said some stupid things, while basically doing his job which was to return the kid to school.

I know there is a lot of resistance to the school resource officer program, but this is the exact type of situation in which you need officers who are specially trained to deal with particular situations. Were these just officers who were on patrol in the area and had to go pick up this kid? I work with law enforcement (not MoCo though) and this is why properly trained school resource officers and truancy officers are essential. Common sense should have dictated that those officers not act like that to a 5 year old, but there needs to be officers specially trained to deal with behavioral issues with kids that can be used in this situation.

There is resistance to le in elementary schools because they abuse the kids. Statistics show younger kids are LESS safe because of these exact situations. The school should never have allowed this. This is the reason we do not need police in elementary schools and this type of stuff happens all the time. There are so many documented cases of police going out of bounds on elementary aged kids even when school staff ask them to stop and let them handle the situation. Special Ed teachers should know how to handle this. I would absolutely sue this school for sharing private information. This case is outrageous and I can't believe adults here are not outraged.

[Anonymous]

The ignorance in this post is appalling. This post should be moved to the Special Ed forum because those parents understand this issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could write the whole history of the racist construction of “childhood” and who is entitled to have one by reference to this thread.

do you know the race of the officers?

It's irrelevant. The thread is the story.

well it is relevant. if it was black officers mistreating a black child, that changes the narrative.

It doesn't change the way this kid has been adultified in this thread. That's happening because he is assumed to be black, not because of anyone's particular belief about the race of the police.

+100.