Is John Hopkins an Ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:I've always felt the "top 3 schools" are actually about 5 schools.
The top 10 are about 15.
The top 25 are probably about 35-40 schools.

There is probably some truth in that in that no one can actually agree on what they are. USNWR is the most referenced, but they have Stanford at #6 and not top 3 for instance.

Here’s a secret that you all probably will think is crazy, but is true: The average student will have about the same average outcome going to any of the top 50 research universities, so long as they work hard and get the most out of what their university has to offer.

That’s not what this appears to show

https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-Salaries_for_Colleges_by_Type-sort.html

If you were to control by COLA differences in terms of where the grads are living, most of the salary differences will go away. That’s really what you’re seeing there more than anything else.

That’s a cute theory with no actual support.

There’s support from the table itself.

Take the University of North Dakota, which almost certainly has mostly kids who graduate and live in North Dakota. Average mid-career median salary is $80K.

Guess what?

That $80K in North Dakota is worth more, adjusted for cost of living, than the $124K the average MIT grad is making mid-career living in a major metro area.

How about the UVA grad with median of $104? Is that because they all choose in live in Charlottesville?

The difference between UVA and the highest median mid-career salary on that table—$124K—really isn’t that much. It’s $20K.

Well the highest is $134. Even at 124 it’s 20%. Would you take twenty percent less for your job?

My point is simply is that a 20% difference is not the enormous difference you’re all making it out to be.

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Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

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Anonymous wrote:Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

1. You need to chill a little. You seem hyper.

2. I’m sure Hopkins has contributed some great things to the world, but they are not unique in that regard. For example, the Argonne Lab at UChicago was intimately involved in the Manhattan Project and after the war was designated as the US’s first national laboratory. It’s still part of the US Dept of Energy’s national lab system. UChicago also co-manages the Fermilab, which developed a revolutionary particle accelerator. Other major research discoveries at UChicago include the discovery of REM sleep, the calculation of the charge of an electron, etc.

My point is simply that Hopkins is not unique in its contributions to the world. I could make the same list as I did for UChicago if I looked up any number of research institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

1. You need to chill a little. You seem hyper.

2. I’m sure Hopkins has contributed some great things to the world, but they are not unique in that regard. For example, the Argonne Lab at UChicago was intimately involved in the Manhattan Project and after the war was designated as the US’s first national laboratory. It’s still part of the US Dept of Energy’s national lab system. UChicago also co-manages the Fermilab, which developed a revolutionary particle accelerator. Other major research discoveries at UChicago include the discovery of REM sleep, the calculation of the charge of an electron, etc.

My point is simply that Hopkins is not unique in its contributions to the world. I could make the same list as I did for UChicago if I looked up any number of research institutions.

Hopkins publishes more research and obtains more patents than UChicago..it isn't even debatable.....go look up the number of paper published per year by hopkins compared to Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:Look. Hopkins doesn't give a shit about undergrads. Hopkins is bar none a top 5 RESEARCH institution. It leads in number of publications and patents and blows many ivies out of the water in that respect.

Hopkins isn't your typical university. It focuses mostly at the major league levels while other universities cater towards the minor leagues. Hopkins also defends this nation. The second most devastating weapon in all of WWII next to the atom bomb was the proximity fuze. It was advanced by Hopkins. Go read up on the insane history of the proximity fuze and how it basically won the war for the allies in WWII.


Again, lots of apples to oranges here. Hopkins produces a shit ton of research and patents. Wayyyyyyy more than many ivies and other top institutions. It is focused more at the much higher end of education than the undergrad level, which is why its 'ranking' is lower. But if you look at actual value added to the human body of knowledge in terms of actual original research and patents, hopkins is top 3-5. Easily.

1. You need to chill a little. You seem hyper.

2. I’m sure Hopkins has contributed some great things to the world, but they are not unique in that regard. For example, the Argonne Lab at UChicago was intimately involved in the Manhattan Project and after the war was designated as the US’s first national laboratory. It’s still part of the US Dept of Energy’s national lab system. UChicago also co-manages the Fermilab, which developed a revolutionary particle accelerator. Other major research discoveries at UChicago include the discovery of REM sleep, the calculation of the charge of an electron, etc.

My point is simply that Hopkins is not unique in its contributions to the world. I could make the same list as I did for UChicago if I looked up any number of research institutions.

Hopkins publishes more research and obtains more patents than UChicago..it isn't even debatable.....go look up the number of paper published per year by hopkins compared to Chicago.

Lol ok crazy Hopkins booster.

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To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

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Here’s another datapoint: Reuters put together an index of university innovation that took into account patents as well as the real-world impact of a university’s research.

Hopkins is #15.

https://www.reuters.com/innovative-universities-2019

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

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^^^you’re an ultra douche.

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

You said they filed more patents than any other university in the US. Did you not? The list you posted has Hopkins at #7 worldwide and it would be #5 in the US.

Stop trying to make Hopkins happen. It’s not going to happen.

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LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

You said they filed more patents than any other university in the US. Did you not? The list you posted has Hopkins at #7 worldwide and it would be #5 in the US.

Stop trying to make Hopkins happen. It’s not going to happen.

Uhhh no idiot. Read again......your reading comprehension sucks. No where was it said that JHU files more patents than any other institution. All was said is that JHU holds more patents than most other top institutions, which is true, idiot.

Now try reading correctly for once. It must really chap your ass that JHU produces more patentable research than harvard, yale, penn, princeton, chicago, brown, NW, duke, dartmouth, and brown.

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Anonymous wrote:To the Hopkins booster:

You seem to be using 2 metrics. The first is number of papers published, which is a ridiculous metric because anyone can publish a paper in an irrelevant academic journal.

The second is patents. Well, I found patents per university in 2018. Hopkins is #9.

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Top-100-2018.pdf

So please stop spreading misinformation.

Hey idiot, why don't you use the latest list, which already posted a while back :

https://academyofinventors.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2020-2019-top-100.pdf


Hopkins produces more patents that even harvard, yale, princeton, u chicago, duke, north western, brown, penn, and dartmouth..


Try to keep up next time. Once again, you fail to understand hopkins. It caters by in large to major league training only. It doesn't bother as much with undergrads. That's the only reason its 'ranking' suffers.

You said they filed more patents than any other university in the US. Did you not? The list you posted has Hopkins at #7 worldwide and it would be #5 in the US.

Stop trying to make Hopkins happen. It’s not going to happen.

Uhhh no idiot. Read again......your reading comprehension sucks. No where was it said that JHU files more patents than any other institution. All was said is that JHU holds more patents than most other top institutions, which is true, idiot.

Now try reading correctly for once. It must really chap your ass that JHU produces more patentable research than harvard, yale, penn, princeton, chicago, brown, NW, duke, dartmouth, and brown.

Funny that you ignore the University of South Florida comment above.

Also, can you explain your odd, really awkward way of writing? You say “major league training.” In this post you said “all was said is.”

I assume you went to Hopkins. Apparently their writing courses aren’t terrific.

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Anonymous wrote:LOLOL! University of South Florida is a better school than Columbia according to this patent metric. Their poor ranking must be because they are major league trainers focused on grad students and not undergrads.

USF has a pretty solid engineering program. You'd be surprised. Who gives a shit about elitist parents sending their elitist kids to Columbia to pump out liberal arts majors that ruin the county as consultants and other overpaid morons on wall street while USF produces research that actually improves peoples' lives....