I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. Keep in mind those people are a small (yet vocal) minority. All the teachers that I know IRL want to go back into the classroom. (Of course, my friends and I are in the 25 to 50 year old set.)

This.

Also OP, are the people saying this teachers?

DH is worried. I'm high risk, he could bring it home. But "scared"? No.

Not just teachers. Pretty much everyone who seems to have this irrational fear that they are going to get Covid-spread it to everyone in their family and all die.

Fun fact: of you have been watching the moco dashboard the death rate is 0.05%.

Fun Fact: Learn math! 674 deaths out of 14,004 cases is 0.048, NOT 0.05%. It's 4.8%

Enjoy the rally in Tulsa this afternoon!

NP. Actually those 14,004 cases are the ones they know of. I have read in an article that the actual cases may be more than 20 times that. So 4.8/20 would give a mortality rate of 0.24%

That seems very speculative to me. If 20 times the number of people have had it, that’s 280,000. MoCo population is about 1 million. Do you really think over 1/4 of everyone has had it? No antibody testing anywhere has shown numbers anything like that.

It may seem surprising at first sight, but it is probably true. If you look at Johns Hopkins link PP has provided, there are a number of countries with case fatality rates below 0.5%. True fatality rate needs to be lower than that.

NP here. Even in the NYC metro area the estimated percentage of infection is around 20%. There is no way MoCo has a 25% infection rate.

Why is the N.Y. estimate supposed to be true? I'm giving you a very logical inference that the infection mortality rate of Covid is probably below 0.5% based on Johns Hopkins data base of case mortality rate in different countries.

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I’m tired of all the rhetoric about schools. “Think of the parents!”
I’m thinking of them, and I’m not sufficiently impressed that schools should open at their convenience, regardless of health and safety measures for everyone else involved.

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I’m sick of DCUM forgetting that many teachers are also parents. I have a lot at stake either way.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of all the rhetoric about schools. “Think of the parents!”
I’m thinking of them, and I’m not sufficiently impressed that schools should open at their convenience, regardless of health and safety measures for everyone else involved.

Who says "think of the parents!"? The argument for opening schools I most often see is "think of the kids and their education!", which is exactly what we should be thinking about. The parents' problems with DL are real but secondary, the kids' sacrifice is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m tired of all the rhetoric about schools. “Think of the parents!”
I’m thinking of them, and I’m not sufficiently impressed that schools should open at their convenience, regardless of health and safety measures for everyone else involved.

The rhetoric about schools is actually "Think of the kids and their education!"

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Nobody said anything about them doing back without any infection control protocols. The discourse I am hearing as that pretty much nothing will be acceptable to teachers no matter what the protocols are. They want 100% DL or nothing.

There have been numerous articles showing data that kids not only don't spread it to each other but don't spread it to adults.

Districts are all putting loopholes in the language about precautions so they can shrug innocently when the first day of school rolls around and there’s almost nothing in place. I expect to receive a “cute” cloth masks with a cheesy teaching theme print, a single large bottle of sanitizer, and class rosters of 30-35 students, plus my advisory and home room above 35 students.

If only there were something you could do, using materials you already have anyway, if you considered the employer-provided masks to be inadequate.

Why should teachers —once again— pay out of their own pockets for materials needed for work. Maybe we should make cops buy their own bullets?

You don't have to pay out of your own pocket. All you have to do is wear the masks you already have.

What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks? I don’t. I have a couple boxes of N95 that we share as a family of four. We reuse the masks until they get gross, but the truth is that we sheltered in place largely. Those masks would go much faster with daily use.

Well I’m a Doctor and I have three n95 masks. Total. So if you have a few boxes, as a teacher, you’re well ahead of many emergency room workers.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. Keep in mind those people are a small (yet vocal) minority. All the teachers that I know IRL want to go back into the classroom. (Of course, my friends and I are in the 25 to 50 year old set.)

This.

Also OP, are the people saying this teachers?

DH is worried. I'm high risk, he could bring it home. But "scared"? No.

Not just teachers. Pretty much everyone who seems to have this irrational fear that they are going to get Covid-spread it to everyone in their family and all die.

Fun fact: of you have been watching the moco dashboard the death rate is 0.05%.

Fun Fact: Learn math! 674 deaths out of 14,004 cases is 0.048, NOT 0.05%. It's 4.8%

Enjoy the rally in Tulsa this afternoon!

NP. Actually those 14,004 cases are the ones they know of. I have read in an article that the actual cases may be more than 20 times that. So 4.8/20 would give a mortality rate of 0.24%

That seems very speculative to me. If 20 times the number of people have had it, that’s 280,000. MoCo population is about 1 million. Do you really think over 1/4 of everyone has had it? No antibody testing anywhere has shown numbers anything like that.

It may seem surprising at first sight, but it is probably true. If you look at Johns Hopkins link PP has provided, there are a number of countries with case fatality rates below 0.5%. True fatality rate needs to be lower than that.

NP here. Even in the NYC metro area the estimated percentage of infection is around 20%. There is no way MoCo has a 25% infection rate.

Why is the N.Y. estimate supposed to be true? I'm giving you a very logical inference that the infection mortality rate of Covid is probably below 0.5% based on Johns Hopkins data base of case mortality rate in different countries.

Because NYC did a widespread antibody testing study. And it showed about 20%.

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Why is the N.Y. estimate supposed to be true? I'm giving you a very logical inference that the infection mortality rate of Covid is probably below 0.5% based on Johns Hopkins data base of case mortality rate in different countries.

Because NYC did a widespread antibody testing study. And it showed about 20%.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-announces-results-completed-antibody-testing

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Nobody said anything about them doing back without any infection control protocols. The discourse I am hearing as that pretty much nothing will be acceptable to teachers no matter what the protocols are. They want 100% DL or nothing.

There have been numerous articles showing data that kids not only don't spread it to each other but don't spread it to adults.

Districts are all putting loopholes in the language about precautions so they can shrug innocently when the first day of school rolls around and there’s almost nothing in place. I expect to receive a “cute” cloth masks with a cheesy teaching theme print, a single large bottle of sanitizer, and class rosters of 30-35 students, plus my advisory and home room above 35 students.

If only there were something you could do, using materials you already have anyway, if you considered the employer-provided masks to be inadequate.

Why should teachers —once again— pay out of their own pockets for materials needed for work. Maybe we should make cops buy their own bullets?

You don't have to pay out of your own pocket. All you have to do is wear the masks you already have.

What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks? I don’t. I have a couple boxes of N95 that we share as a family of four. We reuse the masks until they get gross, but the truth is that we sheltered in place largely. Those masks would go much faster with daily use.

Well I’m a Doctor and I have three n95 masks. Total. So if you have a few boxes, as a teacher, you’re well ahead of many emergency room workers.

Are you caring for COVID patients?

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Why is the N.Y. estimate supposed to be true? I'm giving you a very logical inference that the infection mortality rate of Covid is probably below 0.5% based on Johns Hopkins data base of case mortality rate in different countries.

Because NYC did a widespread antibody testing study. And it showed about 20%.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-announces-results-completed-antibody-testing[/quote
Antibody tests are notoriously inaccurate.

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What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks?

This is embarrassing. Any idiot can make a mask.

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What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks?

This is embarrassing. Any idiot can make a mask.

Or buy some somewhere.

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Why is the N.Y. estimate supposed to be true? I'm giving you a very logical inference that the infection mortality rate of Covid is probably below 0.5% based on Johns Hopkins data base of case mortality rate in different countries.

Because NYC did a widespread antibody testing study. And it showed about 20%.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/amid-ongoing-covid-19-pandemic-governor-cuomo-announces-results-completed-antibody-testing

Antibody tests are notoriously inaccurate.

Yes, they are, but estimates based on notoriously inaccurate tests are still more reliable than estimates based on a WAG.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Nobody said anything about them doing back without any infection control protocols. The discourse I am hearing as that pretty much nothing will be acceptable to teachers no matter what the protocols are. They want 100% DL or nothing.

There have been numerous articles showing data that kids not only don't spread it to each other but don't spread it to adults.

Districts are all putting loopholes in the language about precautions so they can shrug innocently when the first day of school rolls around and there’s almost nothing in place. I expect to receive a “cute” cloth masks with a cheesy teaching theme print, a single large bottle of sanitizer, and class rosters of 30-35 students, plus my advisory and home room above 35 students.

If only there were something you could do, using materials you already have anyway, if you considered the employer-provided masks to be inadequate.

Why should teachers —once again— pay out of their own pockets for materials needed for work. Maybe we should make cops buy their own bullets?

You don't have to pay out of your own pocket. All you have to do is wear the masks you already have.

What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks? I don’t. I have a couple boxes of N95 that we share as a family of four. We reuse the masks until they get gross, but the truth is that we sheltered in place largely. Those masks would go much faster with daily use.

Well I’m a Doctor and I have three n95 masks. Total. So if you have a few boxes, as a teacher, you’re well ahead of many emergency room workers.

Are you caring for COVID patients?

not PP but yes this is standard among many physicians treating covid patients. I'm in moco. 1 or 2 is standard, some hospitals I asked while working with PUI and they did not give me one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Nobody said anything about them doing back without any infection control protocols. The discourse I am hearing as that pretty much nothing will be acceptable to teachers no matter what the protocols are. They want 100% DL or nothing.

There have been numerous articles showing data that kids not only don't spread it to each other but don't spread it to adults.

Districts are all putting loopholes in the language about precautions so they can shrug innocently when the first day of school rolls around and there’s almost nothing in place. I expect to receive a “cute” cloth masks with a cheesy teaching theme print, a single large bottle of sanitizer, and class rosters of 30-35 students, plus my advisory and home room above 35 students.

If only there were something you could do, using materials you already have anyway, if you considered the employer-provided masks to be inadequate.

Why should teachers —once again— pay out of their own pockets for materials needed for work. Maybe we should make cops buy their own bullets?

You don't have to pay out of your own pocket. All you have to do is wear the masks you already have.

What if teachers don’t already own washable cloth masks? I don’t. I have a couple boxes of N95 that we share as a family of four. We reuse the masks until they get gross, but the truth is that we sheltered in place largely. Those masks would go much faster with daily use.

Well I’m a Doctor and I have three n95 masks. Total. So if you have a few boxes, as a teacher, you’re well ahead of many emergency room workers.

Are you caring for COVID patients?

not PP but yes this is standard among many physicians treating covid patients. I'm in moco. 1 or 2 is standard, some hospitals I asked while working with PUI and they did not give me one.

And I'm going to go ahead and guess that you can't just pitch a fit and say "you don't feel safe" returning to work am I right?