Family Beach House- DS and Friends Using it for Summer.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

Just wait until something happens. That is not how it will play out. OP and family will be SOL and get sued and lose.

Sued for what? Having the least desirable bedroom? lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

Just wait until something happens. That is not how it will play out. OP and family will be SOL and get sued and lose.

Sued for what? Having the least desirable bedroom? lol.

When the kid or his stuff gets hurt. No way will their insurance cover it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

Just wait until something happens. That is not how it will play out. OP and family will be SOL and get sued and lose.

Sued for what? Having the least desirable bedroom? lol.

When the kid or his stuff gets hurt. No way will their insurance cover it.

The insurance wont cover his bike getting stolen because he camped in the backyard? Or, when he falls on the front porch on a broken step and breaks his leg the insurance will deny coverage because two nights earlier he'd slept in a cot in the backyard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

Just wait until something happens. That is not how it will play out. OP and family will be SOL and get sued and lose.

Sued for what? Having the least desirable bedroom? lol.

When the kid or his stuff gets hurt. No way will their insurance cover it.

The insurance wont cover his bike getting stolen because he camped in the backyard? Or, when he falls on the front porch on a broken step and breaks his leg the insurance will deny coverage because two nights earlier he'd slept in a cot in the backyard?

People like you are scary. No ability to assess risk. At all.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

So the kid is the legal tenant of the whole house? Wow that's a big windfall for him he needs to sublet stat

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Anonymous wrote:When you asked the second kid, it was in the same breathe that you set the rental terms. Was that true for the initial invite? Or did you invite first and then tack on rent later? Is it was a bait and switch, then I think you carry some blame for this situation.

Likely what happened is that OP's son asked the first boy if he wanted to stay for the summer. Excited young men will make plans and not think through all the implications. OP's son likely over-promised from the outset.

The discussion needed to happen between OP and the BIL's. They don't know this random kid and are co-owners, so its within their right to ask for a bit of money to go toward utilities and maintenance.

Even if the boys did talk first about a plan that didn’t include rent and that small fee was added later by the parents it still should not seem outrageous to a reasonable person. OP has described a historic property near the coast that is special to the family. Nobody else on DCUM has any way to disprove that. OP has said the outbuilding is outfitted as a bedroom that the family also uses when needed so I doubt it’s a dumpy shed. I do not think it is unreasonable to have a different expectation ie rent or lease for a kid that is not a family member.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you asked the second kid, it was in the same breathe that you set the rental terms. Was that true for the initial invite? Or did you invite first and then tack on rent later? Is it was a bait and switch, then I think you carry some blame for this situation.

Likely what happened is that OP's son asked the first boy if he wanted to stay for the summer. Excited young men will make plans and not think through all the implications. OP's son likely over-promised from the outset.

The discussion needed to happen between OP and the BIL's. They don't know this random kid and are co-owners, so its within their right to ask for a bit of money to go toward utilities and maintenance.

Even if the boys did talk first about a plan that didn’t include rent and that small fee was added later by the parents it still should not seem outrageous to a reasonable person. OP has described a historic property near the coast that is special to the family. Nobody else on DCUM has any way to disprove that. OP has said the outbuilding is outfitted as a bedroom that the family also uses when needed so I doubt it’s a dumpy shed. I do not think it is unreasonable to have a different expectation ie rent or lease for a kid that is not a family member.

Her son may not think about the expenses associated with him and his friends living there. He should not have offered it out without talking to his parents and having a plan. It is reasonable to charge rent as OP has to pay utilities, taxes and insurance and this is not a family member or close friend. As a parent, you should be decent and offer something and not complain at paying $300 a month for housing if you can afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this where everyone pretends that all living arrangements are above board a compliant with leases? lol. I lived in a fraternity house in college that should have been condemned. I lived in a van one summer in Colorado. That same summer 3 of us lived illegally with a childhood friend in his house in Missoula, Mt.

It seems like everyone is just jealous and wants to crap on it.

Who wouldn't want to be 20 again and living at the beach for the summer?

THIS!

[Anonymous]

Reading this thread you can tell exactly who owns a second property and who wishes they did.
The situation is awkward in that the owners kids are staying in their home without charge. Surprising.
Another friend was offered the opportunity to stay with them in the extra room and pay a nominal rent. Not a relative. And for the whole summer.
Anyone who is an owner would expect some rent. Any free loader would want it for free and call the owner an asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread you can tell exactly who owns a second property and who wishes they did.
The situation is awkward in that the owners kids are staying in their home without charge. Surprising.
Another friend was offered the opportunity to stay with them in the extra room and pay a nominal rent. Not a relative. And for the whole summer.
Anyone who is an owner would expect some rent. Any free loader would want it for free and call the owner an asshole.

We have a second home. No shack. I would never charge my kids’ friends. Ever. If we agreed to have them live there for a period of time, it would absolutely be free.

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Anonymous wrote:My college age kids are paying $1200/mon to live in a city and do an internship. OP Your friend is crazy.

NP I assume your kid has running water and a toilet, right?

Big city rooms in safe apartments are expensive. Manhattan.

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All the boys should be paying $1000 for the summer, family or not. They need some skin in the game to keep costs down, and take care of the place. Everyone pays or no one stays would be my advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread you can tell exactly who owns a second property and who wishes they did.
The situation is awkward in that the owners kids are staying in their home without charge. Surprising.
Another friend was offered the opportunity to stay with them in the extra room and pay a nominal rent. Not a relative. And for the whole summer.
Anyone who is an owner would expect some rent. Any free loader would want it for free and call the owner an asshole.

We have a second home. No shack. I would never charge my kids’ friends. Ever. If we agreed to have them live there for a period of time, it would absolutely be free.

We believe you!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you asked the second kid, it was in the same breathe that you set the rental terms. Was that true for the initial invite? Or did you invite first and then tack on rent later? Is it was a bait and switch, then I think you carry some blame for this situation.

Likely what happened is that OP's son asked the first boy if he wanted to stay for the summer. Excited young men will make plans and not think through all the implications. OP's son likely over-promised from the outset.

The discussion needed to happen between OP and the BIL's. They don't know this random kid and are co-owners, so its within their right to ask for a bit of money to go toward utilities and maintenance.

Even if the boys did talk first about a plan that didn’t include rent and that small fee was added later by the parents it still should not seem outrageous to a reasonable person. OP has described a historic property near the coast that is special to the family. Nobody else on DCUM has any way to disprove that. OP has said the outbuilding is outfitted as a bedroom that the family also uses when needed so I doubt it’s a dumpy shed. I do not think it is unreasonable to have a different expectation ie rent or lease for a kid that is not a family member.

This guy gets it.