Family Beach House- DS and Friends Using it for Summer.

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Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

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Anonymous wrote:People are unbelievable. This chick thought that he kid was going to live totally free for three months in someone's woodshed and then had the gall to curse you when her demands weren't met. Gross.

Yeah. Crazy, hunh?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

So no problem. The kid signs the lease, then lives in a bedroom. OP can f@ck off when she tries to make him live in the shed. She's insane anyway, she ought to be living there.

Good luck with that. "Landlord reserves the right to terminate the lease at any point"

Kid can take the offerings provide or he can hightail it back to DC and spend his summer working at an Annandale McDonalds.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

I don't know which disturbs me more, OP or the not insubstantial contingent of cretins cheering her on. I weep for the future.

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Anonymous wrote:My college age kids are paying $1200/mon to live in a city and do an internship. OP Your friend is crazy.

NP I assume your kid has running water and a toilet, right?

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Anonymous wrote:When you asked the second kid, it was in the same breathe that you set the rental terms. Was that true for the initial invite? Or did you invite first and then tack on rent later? Is it was a bait and switch, then I think you carry some blame for this situation.

+1 Saying they "accepted immediately" is comparing apples to oranges. Come back in three weeks and tell that kid's mom you've decided to triple the rent and see how she reacts; that's more in line with what happened to the first mom.

Also, why in the world is OP the point person on any of this?

OP here.

100% false.

My son asked if he could bring a friend. We spoke with the in laws and they gave the OK. We are in DC, in laws are in NC. Their kids will likley have multiple visitors over the summer while mine wont just because of distance. Hence the reason he was permitted to bring someone. We and the in laws together agreed on the $1000 to cover the utilities and provide a sense of responsiniolity. Our sons aretasked with repairs an maintennace. The kid was offered the deal by my son. He shared it with his parents and the mom engaged me.

The lease was in place simply for protection in case the kid did something horrible. Two of the BILs are attorneys and would draw the lease so that it was enforceable. I'm not going to engage with anonymous strangers on the Internet about whether a hypothetical lease that no one has seen is valid. Only a fool would do that.

There was no bait and switch and I can't see where you'd even get that idea from this thread.

Putting aside the interesting question of what this lease is going to look like, this situation still seems completely bizarre. Why not just have all four boys be responsible for maintenance? Why does the kid living in the shed end up being the only one who needs to pay? And will your nephews' friends and visitors be charged a daily amount for their stay?

You seriously cant understand why a non owner should pay, while the owners don't? The owners have already paid. Its called they bought the house!

And spending three months living in the house is not the same as coming down for a weekend. If the weekend visitors were raised right, they'll come with some sort of compensation ie paying for the pizzas and beer. I know my son would. But I doubt you raised your child properly because you apparently think the one kid is entitled to the home as if his family owns it.

Thanks for your concern, but I not only raised my kids properly, I was properly raised myself, which means I would never allow my kid to invite a friend to our beach house, and then stick the kid in a shed and tell him he owes rent. If he is my son's friend, he would be treated as my son is for the summer. If I thought he was in any way irresponsible such that I needed a monetary bond in place to cover potential damages, he would not be allowed to stay at all.

+10000

So you're saying your son is accident proof?

Wow. He's a miracle. I can't think of one person I've ever known(let alone a 20 yo with a not yet fully formed brain) who isn't capable of accidentally knocking over a 60" TV and breaking it. Or accidentally leaving the fridge door open over night and burning out the compressor, or spilling a can of paint in the garage or tripping and pulling a towel bar out of the wall, or slinging a backpack over his shoulder and breakig a window, or you now.... haing an accident that causes damage.

I guess you don't require your son to have health insurance or car insurance, right? Because its impossible that he'd wreck a car or get sick or injured.

You, sir, are a jackass.

I am neither a "jackass" nor a "sir". I am wondering how you could possibly take this discussion about people who (I presume) are strangers to both of us so personally that you need to denigrate and swear at other posters, but regardless, you once again seem to be completely missing the point.

Of course kids of this age make mistakes and break things, as do adults. If something like that should happen at my beach house, I'd expect whoever broke the item to offer to replace it or contribute toward repairs, and that would be true regardless of whether the responsible party was my kid, other relatives, their friends, or any combination of the above. Whether I took them up on the offer to repair the damage or replace the item vs. just writing it off as an unfortunate event would depend on the circumstances. If the person or people responsible did not offer to help out, I would think much less of them and they would not be invited back. But it makes zero sense to assume ahead of time that the friend is likely to or might cause damage to the place and ask him alone to pay up front unless he has a history of causing property damage or other serious problems, in which case, as I mentioned above, he would not be allowed to stay in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

I don't know which disturbs me more, OP or the not insubstantial contingent of cretins cheering her on. I weep for the future.

I'm not cheering her on but I'm certainly more on her side than I am OK with the idea that the kids is somehow entitled to more than whats offered.

It's as simple as saying "Hey Tommy, you want to crash with us this summer? $1000 for the the whole summer but your bed is in a bunk house in the back. It's got lights and AC, I've slept there a 100 times. Let me know what you think."

He can say yes or no. He's not in any position to negotiate or make demands.

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I personally would not charge rent in this situation. Just super cheap. I wouldn’t talk shit about you but would prob share with a couple of friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

I don't know which disturbs me more, OP or the not insubstantial contingent of cretins cheering her on. I weep for the future.

I'm not cheering her on but I'm certainly more on her side than I am OK with the idea that the kids is somehow entitled to more than whats offered.

It's as simple as saying "Hey Tommy, you want to crash with us this summer? $1000 for the the whole summer but your bed is in a bunk house in the back. It's got lights and AC, I've slept there a 100 times. Let me know what you think."

He can say yes or no. He's not in any position to negotiate or make demands.

I think this is perfectly reasonable, even if it's not something I would do. I expect that if it had been presented to OP's kid's friend and his mom this way from the start, there would have been no problem, but that's not how it played out.

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Honestly, the kids mom sounds like the type to be looking for insults. She's always the victim, right? Even if the kid had been given the master bedroom I bet she'd have complained that the big was too hard.

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bed was too hard

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Anonymous wrote:Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

I don't know which disturbs me more, OP or the not insubstantial contingent of cretins cheering her on. I weep for the future.

I'm not cheering her on but I'm certainly more on her side than I am OK with the idea that the kids is somehow entitled to more than whats offered.

It's as simple as saying "Hey Tommy, you want to crash with us this summer? $1000 for the the whole summer but your bed is in a bunk house in the back. It's got lights and AC, I've slept there a 100 times. Let me know what you think."

He can say yes or no. He's not in any position to negotiate or make demands.

I think this is perfectly reasonable, even if it's not something I would do. I expect that if it had been presented to OP's kid's friend and his mom this way from the start, there would have been no problem, but that's not how it played out.

Agreed! Totally reasonable if that’s how it played out, but it’s very clear that’s not what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Now I truly hope the OP is a troll because I’m very concerned for society if there are truly people out there like her. Women are jealous of her (husbands) property because they married poorly? I think I’d be good friends with her sons uninvited friend’s mother and we would have some chuckles over some wine.

I don't know which disturbs me more, OP or the not insubstantial contingent of cretins cheering her on. I weep for the future.

I'm not cheering her on but I'm certainly more on her side than I am OK with the idea that the kids is somehow entitled to more than whats offered.

It's as simple as saying "Hey Tommy, you want to crash with us this summer? $1000 for the the whole summer but your bed is in a bunk house in the back. It's got lights and AC, I've slept there a 100 times. Let me know what you think."

He can say yes or no. He's not in any position to negotiate or make demands.

I think this is perfectly reasonable, even if it's not something I would do. I expect that if it had been presented to OP's kid's friend and his mom this way from the start, there would have been no problem, but that's not how it played out.

Agreed! Totally reasonable if that’s how it played out, but it’s very clear that’s not what happened.

How so? Because that's exactly how it played out.

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Anonymous wrote:My college age kids are paying $1200/mon to live in a city and do an internship. OP Your friend is crazy.

NP I assume your kid has running water and a toilet, right?

OP's kid and the other kid both have equal access to water and toilets. Did you miss that part or is your reading comprehension so poor that you didn't understand it?

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to know what kind of lawyers your BILs are where they can come up with an enforceable lease for something that isn’t a legal rental?

Somebody already answered. Sleeping quarters aren't addressed in a lease. The home is rented and the tenants occupy as they see fit. Now, if the BILs were trying to lease just the bunkroom as a home they might run into trouble but thats not the case.

Just wait until something happens. That is not how it will play out. OP and family will be SOL and get sued and lose.