Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

[Anonymous]

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Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We rent, and at our pool, tenants have to buy guest passes for each non-tenant using the pool, and the number of those guests are limited to 2 per unit at a time.
Lifeguards are tasked with enforcing this rule.
I do think calling the cops is an overkill, but I can totally see why other pool patrons were less than happy with this huge group using the pool without proper authorization.

So can any other rational person.

+1

And cries of racism are obnoxious and self-serving

- signed, a non-White person

They're used to excuse bad behavior.....it's tiresome.

+2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

Having somebody that does not belong to your neighborhood go to your pool is very different than teens that are invited by a owner.

Let's say the owner can have 3 guests and they invite 5. Legally, the teens are there because they were invited but the homeowner is at fault for not following HOA rules.

Legally, You would deal with the owner, not the teens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Who says that the guests are authorized to be there. What if the resident had pool privileges revoked and then goes to the pool with several guests? What do the lifeguards do when they refuse to leave?

These are not criminal matters. They are matters for the HOA to deal with and enforce.

My private pool has rules saying you can't run near the pool. If people violate that rule, they get a warning from the lifeguard. If they continue to violate that rule despite warnings, they could lose their membership. No one calls the police.

If they lose their membership, and continue to come to the pool somehow despite not being a member anymore, at that point I could see calling the cops for trespassing if given proper prior notice. But that's nothing like calling the cops for the first violation of private rules.

It's not a crime to fail to obey the rules of your HOA.

If someone is not authorized to be on private property and they refuse to leave, one can call the police to deal with the person. The pool is privately owned by the condo owners: it is not open to the public.

My neighborhood pool has problems with young teens/tweens trying to walk in even though they are not members. They have been asked to leave and if they don’t, the police have been called. It’s a group of white kids doing this, so there is no racism involved on the part of the diverse staff and membership of the pool.

+1. I’m on our neighborhood pool board. We are not a HOA and you have to buy memberships. Every year, there are groups of teens/ tweens who try to come in without memberships. More often than not, they’ve been told the rules in previous years and their parents definitely know. If memory serves, we’ve had to call the non emergency police twice in the past five years because they got belligerent when asked to leave.

That's not what happened here though. These people were guests of a resident.

But the question of whether the resident owner had permission to bring that many guests on that day has not been answered. If there was no permission for that many guests at one time on that day, then they were there without permission and therefore, trespassing.

Had permission been granted by the HOA to the condo owner for this party on this day with this number of people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

w

Yes, the condo owners and members of the HOA do indeed own the property. You own your apartment and have a share in the common property, so, yes, you own it along with your neighbors who are also owners. All the owners must abide by the rules of their shared private property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

If you are in a property that is not yours, you are trespassing unless you've been granted the privilege to be there. The condo owner did not secure the proper permit to get you that privilege, so you are trespassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

No...did you not take your medication today.

You 100% do not own the property. The HOA or the corporation owns the condominium does.

The other owner has the right to invite guests so the guests are not trespassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

No one said the guests need to know the HOA rules. But if they are told they do not have permission to be there, then they need to leave, immediately. They can’t just stay because the owner invited them and said it was okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

If you are in a property that is not yours, you are trespassing unless you've been granted the privilege to be there. The condo owner did not secure the proper permit to get you that privilege, so you are trespassing.

That is not how contracts work. The contract is with the home owner. They are in violation of the HOA rules (which are not criminal laws) and the guests are not trespassing.