The REAL issue with the proposals to shift boundaries & how MCPS can fix it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that Purple Line is going to be a gamechanger too in terms of economic development. The county promised east/west light rail for years. It’s finally happening.

No it isnt. Purple like ridership will be lower than low. 20 stops, one hour, from college park to bethesda? Who is that? Not even worth a park and ride person.

Purple line was t going to happen due to terrrible feasibility and ridership studies. Then a Trump waved the federal infrastructure money at Hogan and here we are. What a waste. Metro is a poorly managed Pension union that runs some badly maintained subways on the side.

The great thing about light rail, vs. airplanes, is that it makes stops between end points. Are people going to ride from Silver Spring to Bethesda, or from Langley to Silver Spring, or from Silver Spring to College Park, or from...? You bet they will. In fact, they already are, just on buses, with transfers, more slowly.

I also don’t know many people that live in sS and work in bethesda. Are you talking about a few hundred retail or nanny workers? That’s it?

What big residential or office area is this connecting exactly? MoCo is so anti-business not sure what will stick.

[Anonymous]

I do however think the purple line will help bolster more school residency fraud. Now we silver springers who work downtown in the red line can zip our kids over to BCC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that Purple Line is going to be a gamechanger too in terms of economic development. The county promised east/west light rail for years. It’s finally happening.

No it isnt. Purple like ridership will be lower than low. 20 stops, one hour, from college park to bethesda? Who is that? Not even worth a park and ride person.

Purple line was t going to happen due to terrrible feasibility and ridership studies. Then a Trump waved the federal infrastructure money at Hogan and here we are. What a waste. Metro is a poorly managed Pension union that runs some badly maintained subways on the side.

The great thing about light rail, vs. airplanes, is that it makes stops between end points. Are people going to ride from Silver Spring to Bethesda, or from Langley to Silver Spring, or from Silver Spring to College Park, or from...? You bet they will. In fact, they already are, just on buses, with transfers, more slowly.

I also don’t know many people that live in sS and work in bethesda. Are you talking about a few hundred retail or nanny workers? That’s it?

What big residential or office area is this connecting exactly? MoCo is so anti-business not sure what will stick.

I guess you've never been on East West Highway during rush hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Just wow.

Imagine if Central Office spent all this time and money EDUCATING young students in science, history, math, English, writing, music/art/gym instead of paying though the nose for idealogy studies on boundaries, rounded grading policy, test retakes, no final exams, constant testing in k-8, etc.

Imagine.

The role of public schools is to educate academic materials in a safe and healthy environment. The role of public schools is not celebrate 10 religions, or diversity by X Y or z, or parent young or old kids, etc.

MCPS needs to go Back to the Basics. It is so far off the ranch it isn’t even schooling the bottom, middle or top students well. Such low expectations for MCPS students. So low, no wonder most can’t compete in any environment unless the parents step in and practically homeschool their kids in the side.

What a crock.

I agree as soon as they update the boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that Purple Line is going to be a gamechanger too in terms of economic development. The county promised east/west light rail for years. It’s finally happening.

No it isnt. Purple like ridership will be lower than low. 20 stops, one hour, from college park to bethesda? Who is that? Not even worth a park and ride person.

Purple line was t going to happen due to terrrible feasibility and ridership studies. Then a Trump waved the federal infrastructure money at Hogan and here we are. What a waste. Metro is a poorly managed Pension union that runs some badly maintained subways on the side.

The great thing about light rail, vs. airplanes, is that it makes stops between end points. Are people going to ride from Silver Spring to Bethesda, or from Langley to Silver Spring, or from Silver Spring to College Park, or from...? You bet they will. In fact, they already are, just on buses, with transfers, more slowly.

I also don’t know many people that live in sS and work in bethesda. Are you talking about a few hundred retail or nanny workers? That’s it?

What big residential or office area is this connecting exactly? MoCo is so anti-business not sure what will stick.

I guess you've never been on East West Highway during rush hour.

UMD College Park <==> NIH

No good way to get there today without a car. Huge help to students with internships.

[Anonymous]

What’s that? NIH people who love I. College park get a whole subway line for themselves that will be totally empty most of the time. Nice, MD at its best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that Purple Line is going to be a gamechanger too in terms of economic development. The county promised east/west light rail for years. It’s finally happening.

No it isnt. Purple like ridership will be lower than low. 20 stops, one hour, from college park to bethesda? Who is that? Not even worth a park and ride person.

Purple line was t going to happen due to terrrible feasibility and ridership studies. Then a Trump waved the federal infrastructure money at Hogan and here we are. What a waste. Metro is a poorly managed Pension union that runs some badly maintained subways on the side.

The great thing about light rail, vs. airplanes, is that it makes stops between end points. Are people going to ride from Silver Spring to Bethesda, or from Langley to Silver Spring, or from Silver Spring to College Park, or from...? You bet they will. In fact, they already are, just on buses, with transfers, more slowly.

I also don’t know many people that live in sS and work in bethesda. Are you talking about a few hundred retail or nanny workers? That’s it?

What big residential or office area is this connecting exactly? MoCo is so anti-business not sure what will stick.

Please get out more.

[Anonymous]

Govt workers?

[Anonymous]

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It is a free country. They chose those schools. We chose other schools.

No one is buying the myth that mixing up schools will improve the low SES achievement in any measurable way. It is simply a class war, run by people who lost their voice in the national policy decisions with the change of administration. That is why this social equity rezoning is only happening in MCPS. It is not a national trend. We just have this subpopulation of people who lost the ability to have a national voice, and have moved their efforts locally. I fully anticipate that they are coaching their kids to ride this wave into the Ivies, too. Hereditary politicians.

No this has nothing to do with national politics or the disaster that is Trump.

I think what is really happening is that the while the property values in the W schools haven't skyrocketed like DC and VA they have rebounded enough to become unaffordable for many people in the DCC. People used to move to the DCC as starter homes and then go private or move around upper elementary school. Now, more people are getting trapped and they are angry about what they perceive Bethesda has and they can't get. The DCC crowd in MCCPTA started getting ugly several years ago and they really did/do just seethe about the Ws. You see it on this board too. Its typical class jealousy. They are the useful idiots in this whole fiasco.

The BOE and MCPS are operating on an entirely different level. They see the demographic shift with the number of URM kids growing faster than UMC kids. They see the trends from the 2.0 disaster and are coming to terms with knowing that the achievement gap is about to explode because 2.0 was worse for URMs than UMC kids. They are looking at schools that are GS6 and below potentially becoming GS 3s and GS 2s in the next few years. They have a choice. Let the W schools and mid level schools stay strong and watch while the surrounding schools fall off the cliff or sacrifice the better schools to keep the DCC and other low end schools from hitting rock bottom. They are choosing to hold up the bottom by sacrificing the top. Politically they feel they can survive W schools dropping to 8s or 7s more than DCC schools dropping to 3s and 2s.

The problem is that it won't work. The people in the better schools getting moved to bad schools will flee. The prices will drop in the former good school zones making them more affordable to people in the DCC who will move in. The DCC useful idiots get to live in Bethesda but the former DCC schools will still drop down to 2s.

This entire activity is solely about trying not to be as low as PG or Baltimore and being saddled with the brand of being one of the largest failed school systems -which sadly seems inevitable at this point anyway.

My god but this is exactly on what is happening.

[Anonymous]

Yep, this is all a coverup of huge portion of poorly performing students. It is already hurting property values and the school districts reputation. It will be an sanctuary city school district like Los Angeles - complete with flight of educated families and continued bottom of the bottom test scores.

[Anonymous]

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You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

Will adjusting boundaries so that some kids zoned for over-capacity schools are rezoned for under-capacity schools, help with capacity? Yep, it sure will.

Will adjusting boundaries so that some kids from poor families zoned for high-poverty schools are rezoned for low-poverty schools, help with reducing high-poverty schools? Yep, it sure will.

I assume you meant "hep reducing the poverty level of high-poverty schools".

Maybe, maybe not, even if it does change the level, it would just be marginally - apparently these are only minor boundary changes, not involving, say, moving 20% of kids to another school.

However, do the county select a region in the high-poverty school zone that is poorer, and move that region out?

If yes, why moving the poorer kids? How about the not so poor kids in the high-poverty school? Don't they deserve the same opportunity (whatever that "opportunity" is)?
If no, then you are not moving really the "poorer" part of the school out so the poverty level of the high-poverty school is not going to change at all.

Minor boundary changes for capacities reasons based on geographic factors can be well accepted by most. With other factors added, things change. I suspect BoE does not really care about the result. What they care about is to speak out and tell people that they care about the poor, so they get more support. That's it. I understand and I think that is what politicians do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep, this is all a coverup of huge portion of poorly performing students. It is already hurting property values and the school districts reputation. It will be an sanctuary city school district like Los Angeles - complete with flight of educated families and continued bottom of the bottom test scores.

Time for you to move somewhere where you won’t feel so threatened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.

Will adjusting boundaries so that some kids zoned for over-capacity schools are rezoned for under-capacity schools, help with capacity? Yep, it sure will.

Will adjusting boundaries so that some kids from poor families zoned for high-poverty schools are rezoned for low-poverty schools, help with reducing high-poverty schools? Yep, it sure will.

I assume you meant "hep reducing the poverty level of high-poverty schools".

Maybe, maybe not, even if it does change the level, it would just be marginally - apparently these are only minor boundary changes, not involving, say, moving 20% of kids to another school.

However, do the county select a region in the high-poverty school zone that is poorer, and move that region out?

If yes, why moving the poorer kids? How about the not so poor kids in the high-poverty school? Don't they deserve the same opportunity (whatever that "opportunity" is)?
If no, then you are not moving really the "poorer" part of the school out so the poverty level of the high-poverty school is not going to change at all.

Minor boundary changes for capacities reasons based on geographic factors can be well accepted by most. With other factors added, things change. I suspect BoE does not really care about the result. What they care about is to speak out and tell people that they care about the poor, so they get more support. That's it. I understand and I think that is what politicians do.

The BoE already stated their highest factor when deciding boundaries is diversity. This is why forming consortiums with schools near one another like Kennedy, Wooton and WJ makes so much sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s not forget that Purple Line is going to be a gamechanger too in terms of economic development. The county promised east/west light rail for years. It’s finally happening.

No it isnt. Purple like ridership will be lower than low. 20 stops, one hour, from college park to bethesda? Who is that? Not even worth a park and ride person.

Purple line was t going to happen due to terrrible feasibility and ridership studies. Then a Trump waved the federal infrastructure money at Hogan and here we are. What a waste. Metro is a poorly managed Pension union that runs some badly maintained subways on the side.

The great thing about light rail, vs. airplanes, is that it makes stops between end points. Are people going to ride from Silver Spring to Bethesda, or from Langley to Silver Spring, or from Silver Spring to College Park, or from...? You bet they will. In fact, they already are, just on buses, with transfers, more slowly.

I also don’t know many people that live in sS and work in bethesda. Are you talking about a few hundred retail or nanny workers? That’s it?

What big residential or office area is this connecting exactly? MoCo is so anti-business not sure what will stick.

Traffic is so bad on East West highway durring rush hour it takes 3X the normal commute from SS to Bethesda. The purple line is clearly needed.


I guess you've never been on East West Highway during rush hour.

UMD College Park <==> NIH

No good way to get there today without a car. Huge help to students with internships.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I assume you meant "hep reducing the poverty level of high-poverty schools".

Maybe, maybe not, even if it does change the level, it would just be marginally - apparently these are only minor boundary changes, not involving, say, moving 20% of kids to another school.

However, do the county select a region in the high-poverty school zone that is poorer, and move that region out?

If yes, why moving the poorer kids? How about the not so poor kids in the high-poverty school? Don't they deserve the same opportunity (whatever that "opportunity" is)?
If no, then you are not moving really the "poorer" part of the school out so the poverty level of the high-poverty school is not going to change at all.

Minor boundary changes for capacities reasons based on geographic factors can be well accepted by most. With other factors added, things change. I suspect BoE does not really care about the result. What they care about is to speak out and tell people that they care about the poor, so they get more support. That's it. I understand and I think that is what politicians do.

The BoE already stated their highest factor when deciding boundaries is diversity. This is why forming consortiums with schools near one another like Kennedy, Wooton and WJ makes so much sense.

I have no problem with them saying that. If I were them I would also be saying that too. That is good for their career. One's career is of course much more important than whether MCPS works a little better or worse.


Whether "doing that" makes sense or if it can be done, are entirely different issues.