Karen Pence is Teaching at School that Bars LGBT Students and Teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

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religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

A lot of similarities- hurting certain groups of people and wanting them to suffer.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

+100000

religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

I am sorry to break this news for you, but a lot of people think LGBTQ is wrong. Now what? Shall we prosecute them? Convert them? Or treat them? What is your suggestion?

Shun then.

Prevent them from taking away rights of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

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religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Maybe she should have thought about that before "allowing" her husband to run for VP?

Allowing? He is not her child, he is an adult partner. Sorry if you live in the relations where one partner has to allow another what job to choose. It is obviously not the case in their family.

He calls her “Mother”.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

this

the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

+100000

religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

No one is suggesting the law get involved and force her to quit. People are using their constitutional right to speech to express didsain for her belief that certain people should be disdained becsuse of their sexual orientation. Do you not believe we have an equal right to express our beliefs as she does hers? If so you may be a hypocrite.

I've never heard her expressing andy disdain to the people because of their sexual orientation. Have you? Would like to see the link to the speech. Just because someone believes in been vegetarian, does not mean that they express disdain for people who eat meat.

She is signing a statement that says the LGBTQ community are sinners just because of being LGBTQ and don’t deserve to be employed there or in any way affiliated with the school. That’s pretty disdainful. It’s certainly not welcoming! If someone you loved was fired or expelled because they were naturally a redhead and didn’t dye their hair blonde, would you be upset for them or think it was okay?

Also you must not know many hardcore vegetarians, snort.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

this

the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

+100000

religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

No one is suggesting the law get involved and force her to quit. People are using their constitutional right to speech to express didsain for her belief that certain people should be disdained becsuse of their sexual orientation. Do you not believe we have an equal right to express our beliefs as she does hers? If so you may be a hypocrite.

I've never heard her expressing andy disdain to the people because of their sexual orientation. Have you? Would like to see the link to the speech. Just because someone believes in been vegetarian, does not mean that they express disdain for people who eat meat.

She is signing a statement that says the LGBTQ community are sinners just because of being LGBTQ and don’t deserve to be employed there or in any way affiliated with the school. That’s pretty disdainful. It’s certainly not welcoming! If someone you loved was fired or expelled because they were naturally a redhead and didn’t dye their hair blonde, would you be upset for them or think it was okay?

Also you must not know many hardcore vegetarians, snort.

Should we now ban all muslims from the senate because homosexuality is a sin? I don't see you protesting a lot near the senate.

Why? Why would you ban all Muslims from the senate (as oppose to the House?) Also I don't agree with your statement that homosexuality is a sin, or did you mean to write that "all muslims believe homosexuality is a sin? Which isn't actually true as many Muslims will tell you.

No one is talking about the law coming in and forcing Karen Pence out of a job or shutting down this school. They are expressing their disapproval with her taking a job at an institution that openly discriminates and makes its employees sign a statement that confirms their own agreement with this discrimination.

So why would you ban all Muslims from the senate?

By the way, if there are Muslim politicians who push an anti-gay policy agenda, you'd better believe I'll call them out. Wouldn't you?

Same with Catholic politicans who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Same with Hindu politicians who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Same for atheist politicians who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Not sure why you just called out Muslims.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

this

the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

+100000

religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

No one is suggesting the law get involved and force her to quit. People are using their constitutional right to speech to express didsain for her belief that certain people should be disdained becsuse of their sexual orientation. Do you not believe we have an equal right to express our beliefs as she does hers? If so you may be a hypocrite.

I've never heard her expressing andy disdain to the people because of their sexual orientation. Have you? Would like to see the link to the speech. Just because someone believes in been vegetarian, does not mean that they express disdain for people who eat meat.

She is signing a statement that says the LGBTQ community are sinners just because of being LGBTQ and don’t deserve to be employed there or in any way affiliated with the school. That’s pretty disdainful. It’s certainly not welcoming! If someone you loved was fired or expelled because they were naturally a redhead and didn’t dye their hair blonde, would you be upset for them or think it was okay?

Also you must not know many hardcore vegetarians, snort.

Should we now ban all muslims from the senate because homosexuality is a sin? I don't see you protesting a lot near the senate.

Why? Why would you ban all Muslims from the senate (as oppose to the House?) Also I don't agree with your statement that homosexuality is a sin, or did you mean to write that "all muslims believe homosexuality is a sin? Which isn't actually true as many Muslims will tell you.

No one is talking about the law coming in and forcing Karen Pence out of a job or shutting down this school. They are expressing their disapproval with her taking a job at an institution that openly discriminates and makes its employees sign a statement that confirms their own agreement with this discrimination.

So why would you ban all Muslims from the senate?

By the way, if there are Muslim politicians who push an anti-gay policy agenda, you'd better believe I'll call them out. Wouldn't you?

Same with Catholic politicans who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Same with Hindu politicians who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Same for atheist politicians who promote an anti-gay policy agenda. Not sure why you just called out Muslims.

Same reason PP supports the Muslim travel ban.

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Would she criticize the school she is going to work at if they kicked out a student because he came out as gay? Seriously, I want to know. Would she stand up for that student? Would she take a stance for a gay man who got fired from his job (from anywhere) just because he was gay? Would she take a stance for a lesbian couple who were refused rental in an apartment building just because they are gay? Would she?

If she wouldn't, as second lady, openly speak up against those examples of discrimination, then I don't care whether she's never on record said anything negative about gay people. She thinks in her heart that they are sinners whom god disapproves of and I challenge you to say "no she doesn't." Because if she didn't believe that, she wouldn't sign that employment statement. And if she's signing the statement without believe it, well that doesn't speak very highly of her.

That's certainly her right to believe that the LGBTQ commnity is sinful. It's certainlly my right to believe she's wrong and call her homophobic because of her belief.

[Anonymous]

People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

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Anonymous wrote:People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

Imagine if they inserted a line about no trans-racial marriages or kids. If she signed that because it was her sincerely held religious belief, would people object? To me there is no difference in degree of bigotry in saying "no biracial kid" and "no gay kid."

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And actually the creationism thing should give us all pause.

YIKES

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Is this the same school where she taught while he was a congressman?

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Anonymous wrote:And actually the creationism thing should give us all pause.

YIKES

Very scary!!

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

this

the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

+100000

religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

No one is suggesting the law get involved and force her to quit. People are using their constitutional right to speech to express didsain for her belief that certain people should be disdained becsuse of their sexual orientation. Do you not believe we have an equal right to express our beliefs as she does hers? If so you may be a hypocrite.

If doctors who performed genital mutilation on multiple girls were let go without been held accountable, we can let Mrs.Pence to work where she believes is right for her. May be she needs a safe space, who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9563543/France-set-to-ban-the-words-mother-and-father-from-official-documents.html