Karen Pence is Teaching at School that Bars LGBT Students and Teachers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

Does this view allow for any morality standards on behalf of the school? I get that LGB is more widely accepted, and T is not far behind. But could let’s say the school compromises on that but holds strong on APK. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

[Anonymous]

Link to parent agreement. http://www.icsva.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/10.29.18EssentialsoftheFaith_ParentAgreement_AdmissionsPolicy.pdf

Link to employment application has since been removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

Does this view allow for any morality standards on behalf of the school? I get that LGB is more widely accepted, and T is not far behind. But could let’s say the school compromises on that but holds strong on APK. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

Does this view allow for any morality standards on behalf of the school? I get that LGB is more widely accepted, and T is not far behind. But could let’s say the school compromises on that but holds strong on APK. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

What if the school believed that interracial marriage was a morality issue and banned staff and students from having any association with it. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

Well the question was if there are any calls from LGBT community to discriminate against heterosexual people.
I answered that question. The answer is yes, there are.

The proposal to ban words ''mother'' and ''father'' from the official documents is the best example of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to read the parent and employee contract, code of conduct. It’s available online. Basically if you work there or send your children to school there, you are agreeing that you and your family (so Karen would be including Mike) believe:

- creationism and no evolution whatsoever
- no sex outside of a male and female marriage, nonpremarital sex, no adultery, no open marriage, no polyamory, no three ways, no gay sex
- no cohabitation
- no trans students, parents or employees, and it’s unclear if that also means no trans family members
-no gay students, parents or employees
- state that they are born again baptist
- open morality clause that allows breaking it to be cause to terminate employment or enrollment
-states that if member of family breaks it may also be of cause

Look, I think it’s pretty awful that the spouse of the Vice President, a national government position, takes a job where she contractually agrees that she and her family agrees with this, constructively staying Mike agrees. Is she allowed to take the job, yes, is she allowed to have these beliefs, yes. But as the BP and the second lady, they are supposed to represent all Americans and by affirming they think these type of people don’t deserve to be in their school community is pretty divisive, polarizing and not representave of a VP. Before when she worked there Pence was in the house so he just represented his congressional district. But now he’s VP. If she really wanted to go back to teaching children there had to have been other places she could have worked with nice kids and ice employees without these issues. It’s mean, insulting and not Christian at all.

Does this view allow for any morality standards on behalf of the school? I get that LGB is more widely accepted, and T is not far behind. But could let’s say the school compromises on that but holds strong on APK. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

What if the school believed that interracial marriage was a morality issue and banned staff and students from having any association with it. Would you have a problem with her teaching there?

I would have a problem with an interracial prohibition. Back to the predicate question - would there be a problem with Pence teaching there if the school prohibited polyandrous teachers?

[Anonymous]

religion has ZERO place in government

OK, then why don't you slam your former leaders for attending a National PRAYER Breakfast?

On February 8, 2018, the annual National Prayer Breakfast will be held at the Washington Hilton in Washington, DC for its 66th year. Every year on the first Thursday in February, worldwide leaders from over 100 countries gather with the U.S. President for the opportunity to form and fortify relationships with prayer as the cornerstone.

https://www.americanguesthouse.com/blog/2017/10/national-prayer-breakfast-2018.html

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/02/04/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast-0

Obama who later read from the Bible:

THE PRESIDENT: Giving all praise and honor to God for bringing us together here this morning.

There will NEVER be separation!

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

Well the question was if there are any calls from LGBT community to discriminate against heterosexual people.
I answered that question. The answer is yes, there are.

The proposal to ban words ''mother'' and ''father'' from the official documents is the best example of it.

How is it discrimination for bureaucratic paperwork to use the word parent instead of mother or father? Explain the actual harm that does in terms of what exact freedom it denies people to be referred in a bureaucratic document that is filed way as "parent" instead of "mother."

Maybe it hurts your feelings to be called parent instead of mother in a document that will be filed away somewhere? But come on, try harder.

Also can you state how many of those "calls" to discriminate that you cited were serious -- i.e. not tongue-in-cheek or Swiftian-- proposals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

Well the question was if there are any calls from LGBT community to discriminate against heterosexual people.
I answered that question. The answer is yes, there are.

The proposal to ban words ''mother'' and ''father'' from the official documents is the best example of it.

How is it discrimination for bureaucratic paperwork to use the word parent instead of mother or father? Explain the actual harm that does in terms of what exact freedom it denies people to be referred in a bureaucratic document that is filed way as "parent" instead of "mother."

Maybe it hurts your feelings to be called parent instead of mother in a document that will be filed away somewhere? But come on, try harder.

Also can you state how many of those "calls" to discriminate that you cited were serious -- i.e. not tongue-in-cheek or Swiftian-- proposals?

As if PP understands what Swiftian means. Quick! To the Google!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

Well the question was if there are any calls from LGBT community to discriminate against heterosexual people.
I answered that question. The answer is yes, there are.

The proposal to ban words ''mother'' and ''father'' from the official documents is the best example of it.

Mother Pence does not approve.

[Anonymous]

Calling someone parent vs mother/father does not remove any rights from you, but it allows for more diverse family types.

Do you need your safe space now where you can do art therapy with Mother Pence?

[Anonymous]

What about my rights to be called what I prefer to be called?

I prefer to be called a "mother". Not a "parent". That's my preference. Why do you insist on forcing your labels on me, rather than respecting what I wish to be called?


Isn't that the whole argument of the preferred pronoun movement?

So why do I not receive the same courtesy?

Or is just a one-way type of thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pence can teach where she wants to teach. It is her option and her choice.

People who don't agree with her will demonize her. It won't stop her from teaching at this school. She is a strong woman and is smart enough to ignore the haters.

Sure she can. It’s her right. Just as it’s the right of people who don’t agree with her being okay with anti-gay policy to criticize that. I’m sure you will demonize them, but it won’t stop those people from their opinion of her

It also won’t win her or her husband wide popularity to be so openly homophobic. That’s a good point I can cheer! Better to be open in your dislike of a large chunk of the population than to hide it and pretend otherwise.

Openly homophobic? For believing that marriage is between a man and woman?
Tell us what she has said that is homophobic.

They lived in this area for years, so a lot of people know her personally. I can tell you that no one I know ever heard her saying anything negative about gay people. EVER.

Why would she affiliate with a school that would not accept a student who has a gay parent? She obviously doesn’t disagree with the anti-gay employment statement she has to sign to work at that school or she wouldn’t sign it

Because this is what she believes. Just because you affiliate with LGBT community or organization, does not mean you hate straight people or discriminate against them, correct? Same is true about her.

How LGBT communities call for legal discrimination of heterosexuals and promote the idea that the heterosexual lifestyle is a sin?

OK, just remember, you asked for it:

''I am in full favor of banning 100% of ALL heterosexuality through constitution and all kinds of laws. ''

https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161630

''Gay YouTuber becomes mayor of Hell, bans heterosexuals, gets impeached ''

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/sexuality/fast-lane/article/2017/09/01/gay-youtuber-becomes-mayor-hell-bans-heterosexuals-gets-impeached

''Ban Straight Marriage''

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-dailing/ban-straight-marriage_b_3543824.html

''Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned''

https://newsforpolitics.com/leftist-french-website-calls-for-heterosexuality-to-be-banned/

''France set to ban the words 'mother' and 'father' from official documents ''

Wow, you found an anonymous person who was clearly being tongue-in-cheek with his/her proposal, one who pulled a pretty hilarious stunt involving a town named Hell (come on, do you have no sense of humor??), and a French activist angry at the discrimination he has received his entire life, so is calling for tit-for-tat. (I'm not sure how the last link about France's decision to use the word parent instead of mother and father in certain official documents is calling for criminalizing the heterosexual lifestyle? You're stretching it there bud.)

Guess what, I can find many individual evangelicals who SERIOUSLY think gays should be jailed or even executed. In fact, I'd bet my house that there are way more individuals who want to legalize anti-gay discrimination than there are individuals who want to legalize anti-heterosexual discrimination.

Now let's find some mainstream American LGBTQ organizations that are actively calling for and working to pass laws to legalize discrimination of the heterosexual lifestyle. Thanks!

Well the question was if there are any calls from LGBT community to discriminate against heterosexual people.
I answered that question. The answer is yes, there are.

The proposal to ban words ''mother'' and ''father'' from the official documents is the best example of it.

How is it discrimination for bureaucratic paperwork to use the word parent instead of mother or father? Explain the actual harm that does in terms of what exact freedom it denies people to be referred in a bureaucratic document that is filed way as "parent" instead of "mother."

Maybe it hurts your feelings to be called parent instead of mother in a document that will be filed away somewhere? But come on, try harder.

Also can you state how many of those "calls" to discriminate that you cited were serious -- i.e. not tongue-in-cheek or Swiftian-- proposals?

It is discrimination and it does hurt my feelings not to be recognized as a woman and a mother in my child's passport.
You suggest me to try harder.
Suggest it to the person who was misgendered because he just started his transition and looks like a man to try harder instead of yelling and kicking things. OK?
Why my feelings should be a second hand to his feelings?
Is he better then I in any way?
Why should I be called something that I DON"T want to be called?

For the reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xfc0RDzruU

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Anonymous wrote:Once again, the curiously ignorant reaction by a small vocal group in the progressive movement has demonstrated how incompatible their ideas and goals are with the principles that has made this country great.

Please show me in the US Constitution where the United States of America is a Christian nation.

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the truth is several of the Founding Fathers were NOT believers

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religion has ZERO place in government

She did not apply for a government position, she apply to the private educational institution. What does working for a private firm has to to with government?

Yeah, nothing. But if you are so high up in the national political order, why would you associate yourself with a group that has such vocal disdain for millions of Americans? Seems very polarizing.

She has rights to associate herself with whatever group she wants to. Weather it will be a Muslim group, or Christian, it is still her freedom to choose. She didn't do it to appeal to any of the Americans. She used to teach in the local VA Christian school for years, so it is not something that she did for publicity. She follows her passion and believes.

She follows her passion and beliefs that LGBTQ is wrong. And openly admitting that by applying for this job.

Would it be ok for her to join the KKK if that’s where her passion and beliefs take her?

It is not an issue weather her believes are right or wrong. The issue is whether her believes are legal or not. According to the US. Constitution, she has a right to exercise her freedom of religion. Is KKK a religion now?

A lot of similarities- hurting certain groups of people and wanting them to suffer.

Religion is constitutionally protected freedom. KKK is not. Nothing even close to similarity. Could you please name one person (full name please) who Mrs. Pense personally made to suffer?