Georgetown Prep is taking a beating with this Kanvanugh scandal...does it deserve it?

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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.

You really thing your public is any better? Think again?

My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.

This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.

I worked on my public school yearbook back in the day, and the things we've seen from the one made public would never have been tolerated.

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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.

You really thing your public is any better? Think again?

My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.

This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.

I worked on my public school yearbook back in the day, and the things we've seen from the one made public would never have been tolerated.

They were very much tolerated, especially when they are after hours/not at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm let’s see... bunch of white entitled dudes? Yep, would never consider a sending my children there. Being raised in a rich in a fancy house with Canada goose jackets and Gucci sneakers breeds the kind of entitlement that creates rapists like Kabanaugh and Brock Turner. There were these dudes at my public school too, just not as many. But they were ALWAYS the boys who got a brand new car for their 16th birthday and wore $100 polo shirts. F them.

Neither Kavanaugh nor Brock Turner "raped" anybody.

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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.

You really thing your public is any better? Think again?

My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.

This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.

I worked on my public school yearbook back in the day, and the things we've seen from the one made public would never have been tolerated.

They were very much tolerated, especially when they are after hours/not at school.

Sounds like you are talking past each other. Isn’t PP saying that the yearbook advisors at the public HS would not have allowed such overt references to drinking and partying in the yearbooks (such as reflected in the biographies for Judge and Kavanaugh in the GP yearbook), not that parties didn’t take place. Although even as to the latter, I think there was not such a frat boy dynamic at the public high schools.

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I went to an all-boys high school, and I would never send my children to one. I honestly believe it hampers the appropriate socialization. You combine that with wealth and mediocre academics and you have a recipe for the kind of social dysfunction we are now hearing about.

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Anonymous wrote:One of biggest problems as it relates to BK is that not only does he appear to be stuck in the era where drinking excessively is ok, but he celebrates it as if it's all a big joke. When a federal judge still thinks it's ok to make jokes about "what happens at prep.." or how much he drank in law school, it shows a lack of maturity and seriousness.

This is my issue with some people (not all) from these private schools, particularly the Catholic schools. There is a multi generational pervasive attitude about excessive drinking.

I absolutely agree, and it's troubling the extent to which they don't seem get that it's not normal and everyone isn't doing it.

White people, especially Catholics, drink way too much. (I am a white Catholic)

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

We could use more boys and men in America who are willing to stand up for themselves and their rights, rather than swallowing toxic feminism 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.

You really thing your public is any better? Think again?

My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.

This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.

I worked on my public school yearbook back in the day, and the things we've seen from the one made public would never have been tolerated.

They were very much tolerated, especially when they are after hours/not at school.

Sounds like you are talking past each other. Isn’t PP saying that the yearbook advisors at the public HS would not have allowed such overt references to drinking and partying in the yearbooks (such as reflected in the biographies for Judge and Kavanaugh in the GP yearbook), not that parties didn’t take place. Although even as to the latter, I think there was not such a frat boy dynamic at the public high schools.

Yes, thank you for your correct interpretation. Kids at my high school certainly threw parties (and that's outside of the school's control), but my high school didn't tolerate any of it touching the school (for instance, the school enforced the athletic code of conduct and kids were suspended from their sports teams for being caught by police drinking outside of school). And they definitely didn't tolerate students using an official school publication such as the yearbook to celebrate it. They had standards for us, which apparently is more than can be said for Prep.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a highly recruited private school athlete from a major program, and all of this rungs very true. Here is my experience from early 1990's private school athlete life in the DC area:

As upper class athletes, we were treated like kings everywhere, all the time. While in school we regularly had house parties at our classmates Potomac/Bethesda mansions or at the Bethany beach houses. There was beer and other liquor at the ready. There were groups of generally freshmen and sophomore girls who would come to party. I didn't personally witness anything I would call date rape, but there was definitely a lot of sex. And I knew which of my teammates would likely be the ones to be accused of taking advantage of drunk girls. Looking back it was an awful environment.

It wasn't really any different in college - on recruiting visits we were plied with beer and girls. What surprises me aren't the random stories that do make it out, but just how pervasive this is everywhere across all sports and all age groups.

man, that sounds so much better than my high school experience...

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In my public high school, athletes were far from the only kids partying and drinking. In fact, it may have been more common among the non-athletes.

Now the entitlement mentality WAS higher among athletes in football and basketball, that is undeniable.

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It's easy to bash Prep, but I'd take the word any day of man molded from boy to leader by this great Jesuit institution.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

We could use more boys and men in America who are willing to stand up for themselves and their rights, rather than swallowing toxic feminism 100%.

Yes, men really should start a civil rights movement so they can win back their rights. It so sad how disenfranchised men are in America. Oh, the injustice of being an American male...!

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Anonymous wrote:It's easy to bash Prep, but I'd take the word any day of man molded from boy to leader by this great Jesuit institution.

He may have been drunk and doesn't remember or chooses not to remember. Being Catholic does not make you an honest and decent person. It does allow you to confess and be absolved of any wrong doing which is how many people justifying doing horrible things to each other as they can be "forgiven."

That's not how it works. I'm sorry for you if you're counting on that.

I'm not Catholic but those who I know who are seem to have no issue doing things like cheating and other things that hurt others and don't think twice about the impact on others, only themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I came into this discussion because I didn't have an opinion of Georgetown Prep at all before this (didn't grow up around here, live in Virginia, we don't do private school) and was curious to learn more. You've all done a great job of convincing me that it's a cesspool. And by "you," I don't mean the anti-Prep folks, I mean the people defending it. It's like you're determined to prove all the worst stereotypes of all-male schools.

You really thing your public is any better? Think again?

My public isn't all-male, so right there we avoid that dynamic, which you all have done nothing to convince me isn't highly problematic.

This has nothing to do with all male. I went to public high school here and they had the same kind of parties. Don't kid yourself this is an all male school or private school issue.

It’s a ‘rich / spoiled’ people issue.

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Anonymous wrote:One of biggest problems as it relates to BK is that not only does he appear to be stuck in the era where drinking excessively is ok, but he celebrates it as if it's all a big joke. When a federal judge still thinks it's ok to make jokes about "what happens at prep.." or how much he drank in law school, it shows a lack of maturity and seriousness.

This is my issue with some people (not all) from these private schools, particularly the Catholic schools. There is a multi generational pervasive attitude about excessive drinking.

I absolutely agree, and it's troubling the extent to which they don't seem get that it's not normal and everyone isn't doing it.

The drinking is a big issue with many prep schools and moral licensing with many Catholic schools. The combo is insufferable.