Concerned about buying in WJ cluster because of re-zoning

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

Exactly. I'm hoping South Kensington and Luxmanor are rezoned to Einstein for the good of society at large.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

Exactly. I'm hoping South Kensington and Luxmanor are rezoned to Einstein for the good of society at large.

Or close in areas like Langley Park to the only high school inside the beltway, B-CC

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Anonymous wrote:Can the Svengalis of the board give us an idea of what elementary schools will be zoned for Woodward? I hear a lot of vague regions being discussed, but no specific elementary schools being named. From the map, it looks like the closest elementary schools are Luxmanor, Farmland, Garrett Park, Viers Mill and Rock View. Unless I'm missing something that mix does not signal a 6/10 school, when the lowest of the DCC elementary schools is a 5/10 (Rock View).

Seems logical. Pair kids zoned for Tilden Middle School with two or three elementary schools from Wheaton / Einstein that are close by. Still not a bad mix considering Luxmanor and Farmland are some of the highest rated elementary schools in the WJ pyramid.

Three elementary school from Wheaton & Einstein will make Woodward inferior than QO and superior than Wheaton.

Not when the bulk of the population growth will be made up of people who live in the high-end condos and townhomes that are scheduled to be built along Rockville Pike near Metro. Zoning those elementary schools to a better high school would also dramatically increase prices in those Einstein / Wheaton ES neighborhoods wouldn't it, and lead to gentrification?

Look at Twinbrook ES. Close to metro and in RM. Still performance is lacking. CHnage can happen, but it takes decades.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

Exactly. I'm hoping South Kensington and Luxmanor are rezoned to Einstein for the good of society at large.

How it will even work? There will be extra capacity in Woodward and DCC students will come to Woodward.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

Exactly. I'm hoping South Kensington and Luxmanor are rezoned to Einstein for the good of society at large.

How it will even work? There will be extra capacity in Woodward and DCC students will come to Woodward.

Students in boundaries adjacent to Woodward, like Einstein, WJ and B-CC, wil likely be reassigned to Woodward. Eastern parts of the DCC are covered by the 1200 seat expansion at Northwood, and although I imagine B-CC's northern boundary would be sent to Woodward, its eastern boundary would likely extended to include other close in neighborhoods.

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Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone think that kids in South Kensington and Chevy Chase View, which is currently zoned for BCC, would be rezoned to Woodward? If Woodward was made up of Kensington-Parkwood, North Chevy Chase, Rock View, Garrett Park, and Viers Mill students it would actually be a good mix and I don't think test scores would be that bad either.

I really doubt that happens. They just spent five years planning and building a new middle school that’s in South Kensington for those neighborhoods.

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This is really screwing up WJ real estate. The expansion of 270 into a few of the neighborhoods that are reasonably priced yet very nice houses is another risk. I can't imagine buying a nice house only to find out two years later that you're rezoned to a mediocre at best school and have a wider major highway in your backyard.

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Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone think that kids in South Kensington and Chevy Chase View, which is currently zoned for BCC, would be rezoned to Woodward? If Woodward was made up of Kensington-Parkwood, North Chevy Chase, Rock View, Garrett Park, and Viers Mill students it would actually be a good mix and I don't think test scores would be that bad either.

I really doubt that happens. They just spent five years planning and building a new middle school that’s in South Kensington for those neighborhoods.

Seems far more plausible than bussing in poor kids from the other side of the county.

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There's also a WJ ES #7 on the drawing board. Site selection committee is meeting soon. I think it is slated to open after Woodward.

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Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone think that kids in South Kensington and Chevy Chase View, which is currently zoned for BCC, would be rezoned to Woodward? If Woodward was made up of Kensington-Parkwood, North Chevy Chase, Rock View, Garrett Park, and Viers Mill students it would actually be a good mix and I don't think test scores would be that bad either.

I really doubt that happens. They just spent five years planning and building a new middle school that’s in South Kensington for those neighborhoods.

Seems far more plausible than bussing in poor kids from the other side of the county.

Nope. The Silver Creek boundary fight was ugly and in the end MCPS divvied up the BCC elementaries on the basis of proximity/convenience rather than trying to ensure an SES/diversity balance. No way do they move the closest neighborhood out of Silver Creek now.

And they can't do a split articulation for North Chevy Chase because it's already split articulated at the early elementary level. No one in MCPS wants to bust up the Rosemary Hills arrangement, which is one of the only durable and successful de-segregation initiatives in the area. (It is probably less justified now, but since it was the product of a court order I doubt MCPS wants to open up that can of worms.)

I don't live in South Kensington and frankly watching how hard some of the people in that neighborhood fought AGAINST having a new middle school in that neighborhood, I'm not a big fan. But I thought then, and I think even more now, the site placement of Silver Creek was the best guarantee that Rock Creek Hills et al will remain in BCC in perpetuity.

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Woodward has room for 2700 seats, but I seriously doubt they'd fill it to capacity on day 1.

I'd imagine WJ will contribute 800-1000 students to Woodward. Around 700 to address it's overcrowding directly and shift a few hundred from Whitman to WJ to address overcrowding there too.

That still leaves 1700-1900 seats to fill at Woodward. The simplest solution is to fill them from the adjacent schools.

Since Einstein is around 700 over capacity it would likely contribute the lions share. I'd wager B-CC ends up giving 400-500 too, but 200 minimum to offset future overcrowding at B-CC.

Now Northwood is right next to Blair and it's expansion creates 1200 additional seats there. Roughly 700 are needed to address Northwood's overcrowding by 2022. That means 400-500 will likely go to address Blair's overcrowding. Now Blair will need around 700 total seats so they'll a couple hundred short. Those seats will likely come from the two schools directly adjacent to its West. Those schools are also adjacent to Woodward so it's easy to make the room. Sure the County could put the burden entirely on Einstein but why wouldn't B-CC get a pass?

It's all total speculation so I wouldn't get worked up over it. Do you remember those puzzle games you played as a kid that you solve by shifting the blocks? If your goal is to optimally fill these schools, make minimal changes to the overall map without busing people across the county that's how it could play out.

Sounds about right.

Does anyone think that kids in South Kensington and Chevy Chase View, which is currently zoned for BCC, would be rezoned to Woodward? If Woodward was made up of Kensington-Parkwood, North Chevy Chase, Rock View, Garrett Park, and Viers Mill students it would actually be a good mix and I don't think test scores would be that bad either.

I really doubt that happens. They just spent five years planning and building a new middle school that’s in South Kensington for those neighborhoods.

Seems far more plausible than bussing in poor kids from the other side of the county.

Nope. The Silver Creek boundary fight was ugly and in the end MCPS divvied up the BCC elementaries on the basis of proximity/convenience rather than trying to ensure an SES/diversity balance. No way do they move the closest neighborhood out of Silver Creek now.

And they can't do a split articulation for North Chevy Chase because it's already split articulated at the early elementary level. No one in MCPS wants to bust up the Rosemary Hills arrangement, which is one of the only durable and successful de-segregation initiatives in the area. (It is probably less justified now, but since it was the product of a court order I doubt MCPS wants to open up that can of worms.)

I don't live in South Kensington and frankly watching how hard some of the people in that neighborhood fought AGAINST having a new middle school in that neighborhood, I'm not a big fan. But I thought then, and I think even more now, the site placement of Silver Creek was the best guarantee that Rock Creek Hills et al will remain in BCC in perpetuity.

Whatever they do they'll have a fight so may as well do what makes the most sense in terms of proximity.

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Anonymous wrote:There's also a WJ ES #7 on the drawing board. Site selection committee is meeting soon. I think it is slated to open after Woodward.

Are you referring to the land set aside in the WMAL development? I don't think MoCo has allocated any funds for building that school.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

+1. The snobiness here (from a bunch of liberals!) is ridiculous. I’m in GP elem and expect to go to Woodward. Fine with me. This is not a seismic shift. My kid, who’s from a high income family with two parents with graduate degrees, most likely is going to have the same trajectory whether he goes to WJ or Woodward. You all need to get a grip. If you’re in your home for a significant period of time (as you should be if you’re financially responsible), the impact on your home value is not going to be a big deal in the long haul. Our HHI is over 400K but avoiding status-obsesssed people like the PPs is what keeps me from living in Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

+1. The snobiness here (from a bunch of liberals!) is ridiculous. I’m in GP elem and expect to go to Woodward. Fine with me. This is not a seismic shift. My kid, who’s from a high income family with two parents with graduate degrees, most likely is going to have the same trajectory whether he goes to WJ or Woodward. You all need to get a grip. If you’re in your home for a significant period of time (as you should be if you’re financially responsible), the impact on your home value is not going to be a big deal in the long haul. Our HHI is over 400K but avoiding status-obsesssed people like the PPs is what keeps me from living in Bethesda.

Ok PP, I feel the same. But what if it’s Einstein?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is largely histrionics without any factual basis, but when I read the hateful ignorance in many of these posts I wish the county would integrate the segregated areas to promote empathy and understanding.

+1. The snobiness here (from a bunch of liberals!) is ridiculous. I’m in GP elem and expect to go to Woodward. Fine with me. This is not a seismic shift. My kid, who’s from a high income family with two parents with graduate degrees, most likely is going to have the same trajectory whether he goes to WJ or Woodward. You all need to get a grip. If you’re in your home for a significant period of time (as you should be if you’re financially responsible), the impact on your home value is not going to be a big deal in the long haul. Our HHI is over 400K but avoiding status-obsesssed people like the PPs is what keeps me from living in Bethesda.

Ok PP, I feel the same. But what if it’s Einstein?

By 2022 the county has Einstein at around 700 over capacity. It seems likely that 700+ kids will come out the its Western boundary near Woodward, but that's just a best guess. Nobody really knows what the county will decide a few years from now. I don't have any skin in this game and personally believe Woodward will be a great school because of the neighborhood's its likely to draw from.