Why do uneducated people homeschool?

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Anonymous wrote:From research homeschooled kids are from better environments, more educated parents and fewer divorced parents. That's why the kids are smarter. Interestingly they watch less tv too.


According to Burns, homeschoolers are more likely to come from homes with educated parents and higher incomes. Homeschooling parents are less likely to divorce (which is true of higher income couples in general). Homeschooled kids watch less television. All of this results in higher academic achievement. As a result, Burns says that there is "inconclusive evidence of the actual quality of homeschool instruction.[/quote


Link?

https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests

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DP. There are actually a bunch of us who think homeschooling is by and large terrible for the kids involved, if only that they can't get what they need to survive in life. And FYI, it's great that PP was a "well-prepared" high school grad who was capable of reaching 1-12. But I would absolutely wager that a kid that is prepared out of high school for the responsibilities of teaching children is the exception rather than the rule.

How many homeschooling parents are so well-prepared? That's right, **you don't know**. Abuse, incompetence, idiots run rampant and unchecked. Look at the Turpins

You can't compare the worst of the homeschooling to an average public school. Compare it to reality. D is a passing grade in many school districts and you get it for just showing up in some schools. It is scary inside some of them, scary even in elementary. Do you really think that a school where less than 20% of students are proficient in math or English is a better option? I guess one does learn a trade like selling drugs by the end of it. Those schools are nothing but "babysitting" services while parents work.

That is not the "reality" for the vast majority of public schools and I doubt all of you homeschoolers live in an inner city failing school.

I've been an educator for a long time and worked many years in both rural and inner city areas with a lot of poverty. Probably not the majority, but is indeed the reality for MANY public schools.

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem for there to be standards for parents who homeschool. I mean, if we are looking at public school performance being poor, lets make sure the homeschooled kids are being better served. No problem right?

PP here. I agree completely!

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DP. There are actually a bunch of us who think homeschooling is by and large terrible for the kids involved, if only that they can't get what they need to survive in life. And FYI, it's great that PP was a "well-prepared" high school grad who was capable of reaching 1-12. But I would absolutely wager that a kid that is prepared out of high school for the responsibilities of teaching children is the exception rather than the rule.

How many homeschooling parents are so well-prepared? That's right, **you don't know**. Abuse, incompetence, idiots run rampant and unchecked. Look at the Turpins

You can't compare the worst of the homeschooling to an average public school. Compare it to reality. D is a passing grade in many school districts and you get it for just showing up in some schools. It is scary inside some of them, scary even in elementary. Do you really think that a school where less than 20% of students are proficient in math or English is a better option? I guess one does learn a trade like selling drugs by the end of it. Those schools are nothing but "babysitting" services while parents work.

That is not the "reality" for the vast majority of public schools and I doubt all of you homeschoolers live in an inner city failing school.

I've been an educator for a long time and worked many years in both rural and inner city areas with a lot of poverty. Probably not the majority, but is indeed the reality for MANY public schools.

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem for there to be standards for parents who homeschool. I mean, if we are looking at public school performance being poor, lets make sure the homeschooled kids are being better served. No problem right?

You are arguing that since regulations and controls have a proven record of NOT working in the public school school we should introduce them to homeschooling. Excellent idea. Let's take what's not working and implement it further.

[Anonymous]

Obviously, theoretically homeschooling would not be ideal but in the real world crappy crime ridden, dingy, sloppy public school system run by beta goofballs and populated by morons and undocumented dum dums .. It's often a far superior setting .

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Anonymous wrote:From research homeschooled kids are from better environments, more educated parents and fewer divorced parents. That's why the kids are smarter. Interestingly they watch less tv too.


According to Burns, homeschoolers are more likely to come from homes with educated parents and higher incomes. Homeschooling parents are less likely to divorce (which is true of higher income couples in general). Homeschooled kids watch less television. All of this results in higher academic achievement. As a result, Burns says that there is "inconclusive evidence of the actual quality of homeschool instruction.

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https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests

Actually this article lays out pretty well why looking at averages of SAT and basic aptitude tests is not a good indicator of whether homeschooling is superior. If PP is right and public school is so terrible, full of lower SEC and minority kids who don't test well, and few of those kids are homeschooled, that homeschooled kids only perform slightly better *on average* is actually indicative that being homeschooled is failing them. Those homeschooled kids from stable families, educated parents, and well to do SECs of 70k might do much better in public school.

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DP. There are actually a bunch of us who think homeschooling is by and large terrible for the kids involved, if only that they can't get what they need to survive in life. And FYI, it's great that PP was a "well-prepared" high school grad who was capable of reaching 1-12. But I would absolutely wager that a kid that is prepared out of high school for the responsibilities of teaching children is the exception rather than the rule.

How many homeschooling parents are so well-prepared? That's right, **you don't know**. Abuse, incompetence, idiots run rampant and unchecked. Look at the Turpins

You can't compare the worst of the homeschooling to an average public school. Compare it to reality. D is a passing grade in many school districts and you get it for just showing up in some schools. It is scary inside some of them, scary even in elementary. Do you really think that a school where less than 20% of students are proficient in math or English is a better option? I guess one does learn a trade like selling drugs by the end of it. Those schools are nothing but "babysitting" services while parents work.

That is not the "reality" for the vast majority of public schools and I doubt all of you homeschoolers live in an inner city failing school.

I've been an educator for a long time and worked many years in both rural and inner city areas with a lot of poverty. Probably not the majority, but is indeed the reality for MANY public schools.

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem for there to be standards for parents who homeschool. I mean, if we are looking at public school performance being poor, lets make sure the homeschooled kids are being better served. No problem right?

You are arguing that since regulations and controls have a proven record of NOT working in the public school school we should introduce them to homeschooling. Excellent idea. Let's take what's not working and implement it further.

You're making some huge fallacies of logic. What is failing some kids at some schools is point of debate, but no where is it settled that the cause is the "regulation and control" and structure provided by schools. If anything, it's the lack of family support, high crime rates in communities, lack of education among parents, that is causing the poor performance of those students.

You assume that homeschoolers "do well" because of a lack of control and regulation - I'm arguing that these kids by and large do okay DESPITE the lack of oversight and, had they been given a high functioning, high quality school, they would have excelled further.

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FYI the claim that in Europe homeschooling is illegal is false. In most EU countries, homeschooling is legal - under conditions laid by the law of course (which I would imagine exist in the US as well). I live in the EU currently and know a ton of families who homeschool and it is a growing trend in fact. Just to put some perspective on the "we in the US" vs "Europe" discussion here. ..there are also families that unschool...tho i dont know much about it. My kids go to regular schools so i am not following the details much

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DP. There are actually a bunch of us who think homeschooling is by and large terrible for the kids involved, if only that they can't get what they need to survive in life. And FYI, it's great that PP was a "well-prepared" high school grad who was capable of reaching 1-12. But I would absolutely wager that a kid that is prepared out of high school for the responsibilities of teaching children is the exception rather than the rule.

How many homeschooling parents are so well-prepared? That's right, **you don't know**. Abuse, incompetence, idiots run rampant and unchecked. Look at the Turpins

You can't compare the worst of the homeschooling to an average public school. Compare it to reality. D is a passing grade in many school districts and you get it for just showing up in some schools. It is scary inside some of them, scary even in elementary. Do you really think that a school where less than 20% of students are proficient in math or English is a better option? I guess one does learn a trade like selling drugs by the end of it. Those schools are nothing but "babysitting" services while parents work.

That is not the "reality" for the vast majority of public schools and I doubt all of you homeschoolers live in an inner city failing school.

I've been an educator for a long time and worked many years in both rural and inner city areas with a lot of poverty. Probably not the majority, but is indeed the reality for MANY public schools.

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem for there to be standards for parents who homeschool. I mean, if we are looking at public school performance being poor, lets make sure the homeschooled kids are being better served. No problem right?

You are arguing that since regulations and controls have a proven record of NOT working in the public school school we should introduce them to homeschooling. Excellent idea. Let's take what's not working and implement it further.

You're making some huge fallacies of logic. What is failing some kids at some schools is point of debate, but no where is it settled that the cause is the "regulation and control" and structure provided by schools. If anything, it's the lack of family support, high crime rates in communities, lack of education among parents, that is causing the poor performance of those students.

You assume that homeschoolers "do well" because of a lack of control and regulation - I'm arguing that these kids by and large do okay DESPITE the lack of oversight and, had they been given a high functioning, high quality school, they would have excelled further.

I think that's the topic for the political forum if it's about should the government be actively involved in the process or not. No reason to bring it here.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your point OP? This thread demonstrates that a wide variety of people choose homeschooling. It’s like asking why wealthy people send their kids to public school...

This is OP. You clearly have reading comprehension issues because you did not understand my question. I asked why uneducated Americans homeschool. I know there educated people out there who homeschool but it's not what I wanted to discuss.

Ahhh...so you just wanted to begin a thread for the purpose of bashing a certain group of people without hearing positive comments about homeschooling parents.

OP clearly has underlying issues and I’m beginning to think troll.

Disagree completely. It’s a valid, perplexing question. I guess the answer just is that stupid people make stupid decisions.

Exactly. It’s not trolling when most of the thread is on the same page.

Most of the thread is on the same page: spouting misconceptions, generalities and misinformation as if they are facts. Most of you don't know any or enough homeschoolers to even speak on the subject. The reality is that there are as many reasons for homeschooling as there are homeschoolers.

Do you think that homeschooling parents, especially the educated ones, judge parents who send their kids to traditional schools?

Why are you chiming in? This is about *uneducated* homeschool parents. You can't argue that there aren't states where communities of nutjobs have sprung up to unschool their kids where basically nothing structured is happening. Child abuse.

Okay OP- I get it - you don’t like homeschoolers

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I’m okay with educated parents homeschooling their kids if it’s regulated in a similar fashion to how Maryland does it. We have a lot of religious homeschoolers in our neighborhood and they are normal and well behaved. The kids grow up to go to college and are good role models (they babysit our kids). The kids are involved in organized athletics and also have some sort of educational oversight from a local megachurch/school. I’m not okay people without 4 year college degrees homeschooling. It borders on child abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your point OP? This thread demonstrates that a wide variety of people choose homeschooling. It’s like asking why wealthy people send their kids to public school...

This is OP. You clearly have reading comprehension issues because you did not understand my question. I asked why uneducated Americans homeschool. I know there educated people out there who homeschool but it's not what I wanted to discuss.

Ahhh...so you just wanted to begin a thread for the purpose of bashing a certain group of people without hearing positive comments about homeschooling parents.

OP clearly has underlying issues and I’m beginning to think troll.

Disagree completely. It’s a valid, perplexing question. I guess the answer just is that stupid people make stupid decisions.

Exactly. It’s not trolling when most of the thread is on the same page.

Most of the thread is on the same page: spouting misconceptions, generalities and misinformation as if they are facts. Most of you don't know any or enough homeschoolers to even speak on the subject. The reality is that there are as many reasons for homeschooling as there are homeschoolers.

Do you think that homeschooling parents, especially the educated ones, judge parents who send their kids to traditional schools?

Why are you chiming in? This is about *uneducated* homeschool parents. You can't argue that there aren't states where communities of nutjobs have sprung up to unschool their kids where basically nothing structured is happening. Child abuse.

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Read the f*cking title of the thread, people. This isn’t a general discussion about homeschooling.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your point OP? This thread demonstrates that a wide variety of people choose homeschooling. It’s like asking why wealthy people send their kids to public school...

This is OP. You clearly have reading comprehension issues because you did not understand my question. I asked why uneducated Americans homeschool. I know there educated people out there who homeschool but it's not what I wanted to discuss.

Ahhh...so you just wanted to begin a thread for the purpose of bashing a certain group of people without hearing positive comments about homeschooling parents.

OP clearly has underlying issues and I’m beginning to think troll.

Disagree completely. It’s a valid, perplexing question. I guess the answer just is that stupid people make stupid decisions.

Exactly. It’s not trolling when most of the thread is on the same page.

Most of the thread is on the same page: spouting misconceptions, generalities and misinformation as if they are facts. Most of you don't know any or enough homeschoolers to even speak on the subject. The reality is that there are as many reasons for homeschooling as there are homeschoolers.

Do you think that homeschooling parents, especially the educated ones, judge parents who send their kids to traditional schools?

Why are you chiming in? This is about *uneducated* homeschool parents. You can't argue that there aren't states where communities of nutjobs have sprung up to unschool their kids where basically nothing structured is happening. Child abuse.

Child abuse is typically considered to be physical and or sexual abuse or neglect. Not providing structure isn't child abuse. You are using your values to judge someone.

America is a great country in which its citizens are guaranteed many rights and freedoms set forth in our Constitution. Each American has to be tolerant of differences, because (I'm certain) each of us has values, beliefs and practices which definitely offend someone else. Would you like your rights to be taken away, for example, for being a judgemental twit?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do homeschooled kids outperform the national average by a wide margin on standardized tests?

This thread is about uneducated homeschoolers. How do the children of HS/GED grads perform on standardized tests?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s your point OP? This thread demonstrates that a wide variety of people choose homeschooling. It’s like asking why wealthy people send their kids to public school...

This is OP. You clearly have reading comprehension issues because you did not understand my question. I asked why uneducated Americans homeschool. I know there educated people out there who homeschool but it's not what I wanted to discuss.

Ahhh...so you just wanted to begin a thread for the purpose of bashing a certain group of people without hearing positive comments about homeschooling parents.

OP clearly has underlying issues and I’m beginning to think troll.

Disagree completely. It’s a valid, perplexing question. I guess the answer just is that stupid people make stupid decisions.

Exactly. It’s not trolling when most of the thread is on the same page.

Most of the thread is on the same page: spouting misconceptions, generalities and misinformation as if they are facts. Most of you don't know any or enough homeschoolers to even speak on the subject. The reality is that there are as many reasons for homeschooling as there are homeschoolers.

Do you think that homeschooling parents, especially the educated ones, judge parents who send their kids to traditional schools?

Why are you chiming in? This is about *uneducated* homeschool parents. You can't argue that there aren't states where communities of nutjobs have sprung up to unschool their kids where basically nothing structured is happening. Child abuse.

Child abuse is typically considered to be physical and or sexual abuse or neglect. Not providing structure isn't child abuse. You are using your values to judge someone.

America is a great country in which its citizens are guaranteed many rights and freedoms set forth in our Constitution. Each American has to be tolerant of differences, because (I'm certain) each of us has values, beliefs and practices which definitely offend someone else. Would you like your rights to be taken away, for example, for being a judgemental twit?

Preventing a child from receiving a decent K-12 education is abuse.

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Dumb people homeschool because they don't want their children to be smarter than them. Isn't this obvious?