Why do uneducated people homeschool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do uneducated people homeschool?

Well, if your kids are arrogant pricks like you, avoiding contact with them is reason enough.

It's arrogant to think a college degree is necessary to educate our children?

Yes. Bill Gates doesn’t have a college degree. Would you not let him teach your kid coding?

These homeschool moms aren’t Bill Gates. And their kids need to learn a broad array of subjects, not just “coding.”

But then, you already knew that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we want to. The end.

And this is the maturity level of these homeschool parents. Like 5-year-olds stomping their feet after saying “SO THERE!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.

So choose one of the many European countries to live in instead of expecting American laws to conform to your feelings.

DP. No, thanks. We don’t have to leave. We’ll stay here and lobby for the laws to change.

Now be a predictable child and clap back “lol good luck with that!” We’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't home-educated children held to the same minimum standards as public school students? I'm European and it's illegal in almost all European countries. This is absurd.

They generally perform higher than public schools.

In many states they have to turn in logs showing what they worked on, hours spent, etc.

Oh, logs! Wow! Totally. And hours spent! Alone in their homes with no supervision. Totally can’t be faked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://i.bnet.com/blogs/homeschool.pdf
Homeschoolers compare very well to public schools when it comes to test scores, college retention rates, college GPA, the list goes on. It’s no surprise that it’s becoming a more and more popular educational option

A homeschool blog. Color me shocked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Let me start by quoting from the International Center for Home Education Research (ICHER), a nonpartisan group of scholars who share a common interest in studying homeschooling.

How does U.S. homeschoolers’ academic performance compare with other students?

Evidence regarding this question has been fraught with controversy because most of the studies that have received widest attention have been interpreted to say something they do not and cannot. We simply can’t draw any conclusions about the academic performance of the “average homeschooler,” because none of the studies so often cited employ random samples representing the full range of homeschoolers.

For example, two large U.S. studies (Rudner, 1999; Ray, 2009) are frequently cited as definitive evidence that homeschoolers academically outperform public and private school students. But in both cases, the homeschool participants were volunteers responding to an invitation by the nation’s most prominent advocacy organization to contribute test scores (on tests usually administered by parents in the child’s own home). The demographics of these samples were far whiter, more religious, more married, better educated, and wealthier than national averages. And yet these test score results were compared to average public school scores that included children from all income levels and family backgrounds. Not surprisingly, wealthy homeschoolers from stable two-parent families who take tests administered by their parents in the comfort of their own homes outscore the average public school child by large margins.

The simple fact is that no studies of academic achievement exist that draw from a representative, nationwide sample of homeschoolers and control for background variables like socio-economic or marital status. It is thus impossible to say whether or not homeschooling as such has any impact on the sort of academic achievement measured by standardized tests.

Read these three paragraphs carefully and reread them if you need to. They’re very concise and to the point and also very important. And before anyone starts suggesting that ICHER is biased against homeschooling, allow me to point out that one of the ICHER’s two founders (Milton Gaither) is himself a homeschool father.

The basic gist of the above paragraphs is that studies of homeschoolers’ academic performance have two problems: First, they are voluntary (and usually recruited by HSLDA, explicitly touting them as opportunities to showcase homeschoolers’ academic success), meaning they do not employ random samples and therefore are not representative. Second, homeschool advocates compare the results of these studies to the public school average without correcting for things like race, income, and family background, which means that the statistics as reported and commonly touted don’t actually say anything other than that students from white, two-parent, middle class families do better academically than the average student, which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone."

You know your “source” is a joke, right? Just checking, because it doesn’t seem like you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I received an excellent 1-12 education. I learned nothing in college. Not sure why OP thinks 4 year degree is needed to teach 1-12.

Because OP nd her supporters then need to consider their own life choices. Is 12 years of college needed? Do I really need to spend $1000 on tutors? Mostly

There is also envy. Seeing other parents doing something they cannot do or choose not to do makes them feel inadequate.

Op here. Jealous of white Americans who can't speak proper English but home school? Definitely not envy of this kind. Nice try.

Racist too. I love when the true colors come out.

Thanks for letting us know you don’t know what the word “racist” means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they homeschool, they don't need to justify staying at home and don't have to get a job.

+1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Homeschool should be regulated to assure that kids to not slip through the cracks, but the ones who are getting a good education and are following state laws should be allowed to continue. My sister homeschooled her two girls, and it was a sad thing to watch. From K-12, they had no contact with anyone unless they were relatives. When my oldest niece finally "graduated'" and got a job at 18, she didn't even know how to use a drink machine, and tried to put pennies in it. She had never seen anyone use one before. My sister had never even shown them the most simple things. Her co-workers had to explain to her how to use it, and she was very embarrassed. At some point in her life, my sister could have bought a water and shown her how. She was fired from her job for coupon fraud, because she had no sense of right or wrong. She wasn't actually taught anything. She spent years in her blacked-out room cutting herself, and my uneducated sister ignored her.

Public schools should be regulated to make sure nobody is falling through the cracks and and everybody involved should be given the death penalty until they close the crushing 34% gap on standardized tests that homeschoolers enjoy over them.

Do you actually think you’re being clever when you do this childish thing where you repeat the person’s post, changing a few words to warp it to your agenda? You’re failing. You were supposed to grow out of “I know you are, but what am I?” when you left elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should have a bachelors degree at minimum. I agree with you OP.

Why?

Because teaching is a profession. A trade. Something that requires training and experience.

Why don't you try to pull your own teeth, in the privacy of your own home? There's no law that says that you can't!

+1

Only in the US is something like this legal.

Typical. I don't agree with it, we must make it illegal.

And which of your constitutional rights will you give up in return?

Oh, sweetie, no. Please go back to 9th grade government class. You were clearly socially passed. Or maybe homeschooled?

[Anonymous]

How bad uneducated homeschool parents are is easily seen in Liping Ma's research, where only nine out of twenty-three chosen for their interest in math were able to solve 1¾ ÷ ½. A further two didn't reduce to lowest form, leaving twelve unable to do the problem. To add insult to injury, only one of the twenty-three were able to produce a story problem that would match the calculation, which should show how terrible those homeschooling parents are.

Except it doesn't. Ma didn't interview homeschooling parents. She interviewed US elementary school math teachers, a majority of whom could not handle a simple division-by-fractions problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How bad uneducated homeschool parents are is easily seen in Liping Ma's research, where only nine out of twenty-three chosen for their interest in math were able to solve 1¾ ÷ ½. A further two didn't reduce to lowest form, leaving twelve unable to do the problem. To add insult to injury, only one of the twenty-three were able to produce a story problem that would match the calculation, which should show how terrible those homeschooling parents are.

Except it doesn't. Ma didn't interview homeschooling parents. She interviewed US elementary school math teachers, a majority of whom could not handle a simple division-by-fractions problem.

To provide the source, btw: "Knowing and Teaching Elementary Mathematics: Teacher's Understanding of Fundamental Mathematics in China and the United States". Don't let the title scare you off, this is an absolutely dynamite book, quite the page-turner. Used copies of the first edition are inexpensive, and you can read it online via archive.org.

[Anonymous]

I think we need more regulation for homeschooling. First there needs to a monthly exam to make sure they are actually learning.

And two there needs to be some psych evaluation and wellness check. I always think of the Turpin family, where the parents sed homeschooling as a cover to hide the kids, they abused severely.

Also, they should be enrolled in some organized extracurricular that is not sectarian/religious.

[Anonymous]

To keep control over their kids and to make sure they don't "get above their raising."

For example, if you aren't qualified to go to college, you will be more likely to work for Dad's business, go to your parents church, and never move very far from home so you are your parents security blanket when they get old. I'm from the south and have seen this happen so many times.

[Anonymous]

Homeschool kids have an advantage in college admission