How important is TJ for college?
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Anonymous
Which high school has (on average) 12+ acceptances to MIT, 13+ acceptances to Duke, 10+ acceptances to Princeton, 30+ acceptances to Berkeley, 50+ acceptances to Michigan, 7-8 acceptances to Yale, 7-8 acceptances to Stanford, 5-6 acceptances to Harvard, 25+ acceptances to Cornell, 10+ acceptances to Chicago, 30+ acceptances to CMU, 200+ acceptances to UVA per year? |
Anonymous
There are also typically 7-8 to Columbia, 8-9 to Penn, 7-8 to Brown, 8-9 to Dartmouth, 10-12 to Northwestern, 3-5 to Academies, 2-3 to Oxford/Cambridge and 70-80 to W&M. |
Anonymous
LOL. +1 |
Anonymous
And, for JMHS over 8 years places as many to the elite schools at TJ does per year. Yet the only requirement for madison is to live in Vienna. This is 1785 acceptances to top/very good schools, and still over 1000 if we exclude Va Tech. If we look at where kids went, it is more telling: Approximately 819 people attended these schools. On average, madison graduated 450 in that period, so 23% went to one of the listed schools. That compares to about 85% of TJ. If you exclude Va Tech, 14% when to schools like UVA/W & M or better. But, I This means the average TJ students are doing no better than the top 15% of madison. school #admit # attend Brown University: 6 6 4 University of California 11 4 Carnegie Mellon University 24 3 University of Chicago 11 7 Columbia University 6 7 Cornell University 29 15 Dartmouth College 7 3 Duke University 16 9 Georgetown University 25 15 Georgia Institute of Technology 48 10 Harvard University 3 2 Harvey Mudd College 2 0 Johns Hopkins University 17 4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 3 3 Northwestern University 11 2 University of Pennsylvania 7 3 Princeton University 9 7 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 28 7 University of Southern California 19 6 Stanford University 6 5 Virginia Tech 728 296 University of Virginia 414 265 Washington University in St. Louis 23 6 College of William and Mary 330 135 Yale University 2 1 |
Anonymous
Thanks for posting these numbers for Madison. I posted a similar analysis for TJ and (if I recall right) top 20% land in great schools and 20-55% land in schools similar to UVA/W&M; This goes to 75% if you include VA tech and equivalent. My conclusions were similar - For the average student at TJ, the outcome would have been the same as at base. For the below-average student at TJ, the outcome is bad because they would have been in the top 15% at base and gone to a better school but now don't. I have a kid at TJ and one that def. won't go there so no bias here. As a donut hole family, I'd be thrilled if both go to UVA for undergrad.. |
Anonymous
Are you saying this is over 8 year period? How about posting for 1 year? |
Anonymous
+1 Do you mean that in all of 8 years, only 2 kids have gone from Madison to Harvard, 5 to Stanford, 1 to Yale, 3 to MIT and 7 to Princeton??? And you are comparing that to a single year's 2017 results at TJ? College admissions has gotten quite a bit more difficult in the last 8 years so you can't really compare 2009 results to 2017. Why don't you compare 2017 Madison results to 2017 TJ results? |
Anonymous
OK I have a slow afternoon so for a fair comparison here are TJ's results for the same schools over the same 8 year period (also consider TJ's graduating class is 5%+ smaller than Madison's): Brown 98 admitted 37 attended UCLA 89/7 Carnegie Mellon 364/120 Univ of Chicago 109/43 Columbia Univ 91/43 Cornell 292/130 Dartmouth 67/27 Duke 193/75 Georgetown 102/31 Ga Tech 300/37 Harvard 42/32 Harvey Mudd 25/5 Johns Hopkins 69/18 MIT 133/103 UPenn 88/45 Princeton 115/69 RPI 187/29 USC 76/18 Stanford 84/60 Va Tech 1268/254 UVA 1745/683 Wash U 139/36 William & Mary 1417/401 Yale 82/43 |
Anonymous
YOU ARE A MORON WITH NO ANALYTICAL SKILLS. Everyone agrees that the average student at TJ is better than the average student at any other school in the county, because of the way they are selected. What I am saying is, IF the goal is to get into a better college, then UNLESS you are at the top of the class, there is NO advantage to TJ. My DD is in the top 10% of Madison. She did not want to apply to TJ and she did not. But, from a college admission stand point, unless you are in the top 10% of TJ (maybe 15%, maybe 20%), it does not matter. 4% of Madison gets into schools comparable to 20% of TJ; 22% of Madison gets into schools comparable to most of the TJ students. But, not all of those 22% would be able to get into TJ. I expect the same numbers hold for Oakton, McLean, Woodson, Langley and some others. By inference (that is a big word for TJ), the TJ student, if they were at the base school, would get into a comparable if not better college, on average. I can not use 1 yer worth of data because the numbers at Madison are too small. On average, we are looking at 8 students per year at Madison that go to the same elite schools as 40 or so at TJ. |
Anonymous
This is certainly an interesting thread just for the personalities of presumed parents who are posting here. I have no dog in this fight but when one person resorts to calling someone else a moron usually that means they are on the losing end of an argument. |
Anonymous
You are complete missing the point. If the a child turns down TJ to go to the base school, it will not impact the college they go to. The reason why TJ has such amazing college admittance (and they do) is because they admit only the approximately 5% of the top 7% in the county. There remain many smart kids that don't go to TJ and they do just as well. Another way to look at it is the average IQ in FCPS is probably between 100 and 105 -- maybe 110. But it is a gaussian distribution. TJ is comprised of about 1/2 of the 2 sigma students (132 and above, or 5% of the population). But there is a distribution of IQ's at TJ, probably going from 128 to 160. The Advantage for TJ is for the kids between 150 and 160; not for the bulk of the students that would be between 132 and 140. |
Anonymous
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Maybe the pot calling the kettle black but some people have way too much free time...
TJ is a great school with impressive college admission results. Period. But you don't have to go to TJ to get into the same great schools. There are awesome kids everywhere. Can we end this thread now? |
Anonymous
You are wrong. |
Anonymous
You may think I am wrong, but I am not. |
Anonymous
| Just looking at the 8 year admission numbers that have been posted by Mr. Madison and Mrs. TJ, it does seem there is a TJ boost to chances of getting into selective colleges. But there also seems no way to prove if the same TJ kid stayed at their base school that they'd have the same college admission results. |