N word at Whitman

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Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

Please read up on Tobytown. Also on Scotland. Nobody gave those families any land; they bought it. Also please read up on African American history in Montgomery County in general. There's a lot of it. Here's a link to an interactive map of county-Designated African American historic sites and districts: http://montgomeryplanningboard.org/blog-news/2016/02/23/montgomery-planning-department-launches-map-of-county-designated-african-american-historic-sites-and-districts-to-honor-black-history/

(Tobytown is zoned for Wootton.)

a good article on Tobytown - https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html?utm_term=.bbebd9112ff1
In a wealthy Md. suburb, some residents have waited more than 30 years for a ride

fact is kids know who's from Scotland and who's from Tobytown . . . It's not a secret.

And many parents with money - b/c money doesn't discriminate - will send their kids to private.

So yes, those schools are segregated for the most part. In this case, it's a combination of race and income.

NP here. Thank you for posting this article. We're fairly new to MoCo and were not aware of this part of its history.

Casa de Maryland history and present is more fascinating.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

So basically, when you say "segregation", you are referring specifically and exclusively to percentages of kids whose ancestors arrived in the US as part of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

I 'm not a Whitman parent.

Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

We are in the Whitman district, not poor by any means, and we moved to Holton which is much more diverse and accepting of other races and cultures.

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Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

Im a minority and I fought hard to live in a W school zone. We worked hard and saved so our kids could grow up in a neighborhood with shared values of hard work and demanding education. No one in our W school tried to stop us, in fact we have been most warmly welcomed. So I think you are falling on stereotypes to form your opinions and not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

So basically, when you say "segregation", you are referring specifically and exclusively to percentages of kids whose ancestors arrived in the US as part of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

I 'm not a Whitman parent.

Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

We are in the Whitman district, not poor by any means, and we moved to Holton which is much more diverse and accepting of other races and cultures.

This is nonsense. Whitman is as accepting as anyone. Its seems most posters here hate American culture. You need not worry, American culture will be gone soon enough. Bye bye rule of law, hard work, self sufficiency, industriousness, assimilation, and charity. Welcome 3rd hell legal and illegal immigrants are fleeing from and most assuredly welcomed at W schools.

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The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

Im a minority and I fought hard to live in a W school zone. We worked hard and saved so our kids could grow up in a neighborhood with shared values of hard work and demanding education. No one in our W school tried to stop us, in fact we have been most warmly welcomed. So I think you are falling on stereotypes to form your opinions and not reality.

Do you live to an MPDU, or other affordable-housing development?

There really should be no argument that Bethesda schools are economically segregated, and that this didn't happen by accident.

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This is nonsense. Whitman is as accepting as anyone. Its seems most posters here hate American culture. You need not worry, American culture will be gone soon enough. Bye bye rule of law, hard work, self sufficiency, industriousness, assimilation, and charity. Welcome 3rd hell legal and illegal immigrants are fleeing from and most assuredly welcomed at W schools.

I am no longer certain about irony (damn you, Alanis Morisette!), but I am pretty sure that the above post is deeply ironic.

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This is nonsense. Whitman is as accepting as anyone. Its seems most posters here hate American culture. You need not worry, American culture will be gone soon enough. Bye bye rule of law, hard work, self sufficiency, industriousness, assimilation, and charity. Welcome 3rd hell legal and illegal immigrants are fleeing from and most assuredly welcomed at W schools.

I am no longer certain about irony (damn you, Alanis Morisette!), but I am pretty sure that the above post is deeply ironic.

Yes the irony is the most open-minded people are being called the most racist. Such sterotyping will lead to outcomes which in their end stage erode societies to the point people flee. But go ahead keep advancing your class warfare and racial division tripe... then all oco kids will learn a real lesson in how nations are destoyed from within.

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The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

Im a minority and I fought hard to live in a W school zone. We worked hard and saved so our kids could grow up in a neighborhood with shared values of hard work and demanding education. No one in our W school tried to stop us, in fact we have been most warmly welcomed. So I think you are falling on stereotypes to form your opinions and not reality.

Do you live to an MPDU, or other affordable-housing development?

There really should be no argument that Bethesda schools are economically segregated, and that this didn't happen by accident.

We're a minority and live in Bethesda. Stop the stereotypes and race-baiting, my wife and I worked many years and moved here from another larger city and bought in Bethesda. We have enjoyed the neighborhood, neighbors and schools.

It is not clear what you are imagining with your repeating comments on MPDU. Is the county using tax dollars to buy up lots, tear down existing homes or CRE to develop MPDU high density housing to funnel whom into BCC, Whitman, Churchill, Wooten? Is that happening in cities and counties around the country? Was that effective in socialist countries with diverse populations (diverse in skills, education levels, speaking abilities)?

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

So basically, when you say "segregation", you are referring specifically and exclusively to percentages of kids whose ancestors arrived in the US as part of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

I 'm not a Whitman parent.

Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

We are in the Whitman district, not poor by any means, and we moved to Holton which is much more diverse and accepting of other races and cultures.

This is nonsense. Whitman is as accepting as anyone. Its seems most posters here hate American culture. You need not worry, American culture will be gone soon enough. Bye bye rule of law, hard work, self sufficiency, industriousness, assimilation, and charity. Welcome 3rd hell legal and illegal immigrants are fleeing from and most assuredly welcomed at W schools.

TROLL

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We're a minority and live in Bethesda. Stop the stereotypes and race-baiting, my wife and I worked many years and moved here from another larger city and bought in Bethesda. We have enjoyed the neighborhood, neighbors and schools.

It is not clear what you are imagining with your repeating comments on MPDU. Is the county using tax dollars to buy up lots, tear down existing homes or CRE to develop MPDU high density housing to funnel whom into BCC, Whitman, Churchill, Wooten? Is that happening in cities and counties around the country? Was that effective in socialist countries with diverse populations (diverse in skills, education levels, speaking abilities)?

I don't understand why you're interpreting comments about economic segregation as stereotypes and race-baiting. It is a fact that there are very, very, very few poor kids in schools in the Whitman cluster.

Also, I think that you are unfamiliar with the county MPDU program. This is what the county MPDU program says: a private developer who is building a development of 20 or more units must put at least 12.5% of those units in the county's Moderately Priced Dwelling Units program. The county isn't buying or developing any land. And it doesn't have to be high-density housing -- it applies to all types of housing, including multi-family buildings, single-family attached houses, and single-family detached houses.

The reason there aren't a lot of MPDUs in non-downtown Bethesda is because there isn't a lot of development in non-downtown Bethesda of 20 or more units. Meanwhile, there is actually quite a bit of high-density housing being built in downtown Bethesda, which is zoned to B-CC. At least 12.5% of those units must be MPDUs. Whatever residential development gets built at Westbard (currently zoned for Whitman) will also include at least 12.5% MPDUs. Areas in Montgomery County with a lot of new housing are less economically segregated, thanks at least in part to the MPDU program. Look at King Farm and Crown Farm (which are City of Rockville and City of Gaithersburg, respectively, but they have their own MPDU programs) and at Clarksburg.

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Completely agree that the use of the n word is unacceptable and am glad the administration is taking this seriously. I will add my only concern is that blowing these things out of proportion s absolutely the wrong thing to do for kids. All you do is irritate the kids who already know this is wrong, and give the kids who are looking for ways to get attention something to grasp onto.

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Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

Im a minority and I fought hard to live in a W school zone. We worked hard and saved so our kids could grow up in a neighborhood with shared values of hard work and demanding education. No one in our W school tried to stop us, in fact we have been most warmly welcomed. So I think you are falling on stereotypes to form your opinions and not reality.

You live in an MPDU? And you bought it back in the 90's?

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Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

Im a minority and I fought hard to live in a W school zone. We worked hard and saved so our kids could grow up in a neighborhood with shared values of hard work and demanding education. No one in our W school tried to stop us, in fact we have been most warmly welcomed. So I think you are falling on stereotypes to form your opinions and not reality.

You live in an MPDU? And you bought it back in the 90's?

No, worked hard, got martied, we bought a starter house, continued to work hard, saved money had kids, sold old house invested profit in new W cluster house (at market value) and we havent looked back.

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

You are living in a bubble of privilege if you can't see the systemic racism that exists. Also, you don't have to burn a cross on someone's lawn to harbor implicit bias, which is insidious and every bit as damaging as explicit bias.

DP here - I'm not either of the PPs

Everyone, EVERYONE has implicit bias. You're not going to get rid of that no matter how long you march.

And, burning a cross is equivalent to using the N word? Not quite.

I'm a minority, and I agree with the PP. I do think there are racists (of every race, not just White racists), but I also think that we are not a racist country.

Did I say that? Implicit bias is something we have to recognize and then struggle against rather than ignoring/denying when it influences our policy making, our personal decisions and actions. Why are you talking about marching? Are you suggesting that peaceful protest is not an effective means of creating change within a democracy? I beg to differ.

Using the "N" word is an example of explicit bias, though it's not exactly equivalent to burning a cross. Not sure how you got that from what I wrote.

And yes, we are a racist country, meaning it's baked into the system. That doesn't mean that every American is a racist. Do you understand the difference?

Implicit bias
Explicit bias
Baked into the system

What a substantive response.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a different perspective. I think the principal was showing that he was taking the matter seriously and that such behavior would not be tolerated. Using offensive and demeaning language like this was a problem when my kid was at Pyle last year and I thought the principal there (Nardi) handled it terribly. Kids were running around heiling Hitler and calling people dirty Jews and using the N word and the F word willy nilly and no one did anything about it. It was depressing.

This. I'd prefer proactivity to complacency.