Tell us about Kenyon...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

[Anonymous]

KInd of like arguing about best baseball player in Russia. Doesn't mean any of the schools aren't great and they all may be better than better perceived East Coast SLACs, but all are tarred with "good for the Mid-West" faint praise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:KInd of like arguing about best baseball player in Russia. Doesn't mean any of the schools aren't great and they all may be better than better perceived East Coast SLACs, but all are tarred with "good for the Mid-West" faint praise.

That’s ridiculous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:KInd of like arguing about best baseball player in Russia. Doesn't mean any of the schools aren't great and they all may be better than better perceived East Coast SLACs, but all are tarred with "good for the Mid-West" faint praise.

That’s ridiculous

NP here and I agree with the analogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Curious what high school has no honors classes?

Anyway your child seems an excellent candidate if he applies ED and a strong one if RD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:KInd of like arguing about best baseball player in Russia. Doesn't mean any of the schools aren't great and they all may be better than better perceived East Coast SLACs, but all are tarred with "good for the Mid-West" faint praise.

That’s ridiculous

I went to a NESCAC school. Agree that the geographic snobbery is ridiculous. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Building wise, whether it's the new library, home style "dorms" or the state of the art athletic facilities, it's as good as it gets for a LAC. But it's one thing to be in the middle of nowhere in MA or Maine or CT. It's another thing entirely in OH.

Sorry --- that's just East Coast snobbery. I know it when I see it because I grew up in CT and went to Middlebury. The beauty of a "middle of nowhere" SLAC is that the students learn they can survive without fabulous shopping, restaurants, etc. I've always lived in cities or close-in suburbs except for those 4 years, but the experience instilled in me a respect for small town life and the people who choose it. That's true whether you're talking about New England or the Midwest.

My own experience as someone who grew up in New England but who recently lived for a few years in a college town in the rural south has been that rural living is not a uniform experience. Rural Vermont features an abundance of cultural experiences that reflect an openness to the world; rural AR, not so much. And while colleges like Kenyon are vibrant communities unto themselves, students do like to go off campus on occasion, and it's important for them to feel welcome when they do. Ohio voted for Trump twice. No state in New England has been won by a Republican presidential candidate since 2000. So no, differentiating between rural New England and rural Ohio isn't just a reflection of "East Coast snobbery."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Building wise, whether it's the new library, home style "dorms" or the state of the art athletic facilities, it's as good as it gets for a LAC. But it's one thing to be in the middle of nowhere in MA or Maine or CT. It's another thing entirely in OH.

Sorry --- that's just East Coast snobbery. I know it when I see it because I grew up in CT and went to Middlebury. The beauty of a "middle of nowhere" SLAC is that the students learn they can survive without fabulous shopping, restaurants, etc. I've always lived in cities or close-in suburbs except for those 4 years, but the experience instilled in me a respect for small town life and the people who choose it. That's true whether you're talking about New England or the Midwest.

My own experience as someone who grew up in New England but who recently lived for a few years in a college town in the rural south has been that rural living is not a uniform experience. Rural Vermont features an abundance of cultural experiences that reflect an openness to the world; rural AR, not so much. And while colleges like Kenyon are vibrant communities unto themselves, students do like to go off campus on occasion, and it's important for them to feel welcome when they do. Ohio voted for Trump twice. No state in New England has been won by a Republican presidential candidate since 2000. So no, differentiating between rural New England and rural Ohio isn't just a reflection of "East Coast snobbery."

Snorts with laughter. Trump won a number rural counties in New England.

There's probably more Democratic voters in Ohio than most New England states.

Looking at the county by county maps Ohio is just slightly more red (or slightly less purple) than most of New England.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:KInd of like arguing about best baseball player in Russia. Doesn't mean any of the schools aren't great and they all may be better than better perceived East Coast SLACs, but all are tarred with "good for the Mid-West" faint praise.

That’s ridiculous

I went to a NESCAC school. Agree that the geographic snobbery is ridiculous. Get over yourself.

I also went to a NESCAC school and my kid is applying ED to Grinnell. We were super impressed with Grinnell. Agree that the snobbery is ridiculous and baseless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Curious what high school has no honors classes?

Anyway your child seems an excellent candidate if he applies ED and a strong one if RD.

An independent in another metro area. School used to offer AP classes but ended them roughly 15 years ago as admin and faculty decided they could offer rigor without constraints of teaching to a test. Faculty way happier. They do offer intensives in math/science, but DC is enrolled in the level right below them. Supposedly admissions view the jr/sr classes similar to courses offered in college as they are often taught in seminar style.

Fingers crossed for ED. Sounds like RD is getting hard all the way around. TY for your feedback.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC will probably ED, though keeps going back/forth with Carlton/Grinnell. 34 ACT and 3.6 GPA (no AP/honors classes @ school) - GPA on upward trajectory after a difficult first semester of HS. Good ECs, full pay. A long shot, but his counselor thinks he has a good shot.

While not interested in CS, does give DC pause. Have tried to explain that would matter if DC wanted to go into that field. DH, who attended a top LAC, perceives Kenyon with better name recognition, says he never heard of Grinnell until last few months.

Grinnell and Carleton are definitely better known and regarded than Kenyon. But Kenyon is a good school. I think your DH is wrong.

I don't think this is a "right or wrong" scenario. DH simply hadn't heard of Grinnell...and DH grew up in the Midwest. The comment is based on perception.

If DC wants to one and done, he probably has a better chance at Kenyon.

Well that’s settles it. The husband of an anonymous poster from the Midwest who went to a liberal arts college says he never heard of Grinnell but heard of Kenyon so Kenyon must be better know. Got it.

Eye roll.

That's really not what I wrote, but you do you.

That’s exactly what you said, and I get why your husband would think that way. Kenyon attracts elite liberal arts college rejects. Grinnell attracts a different kind of apppicant.

"The husband of an anonymous poster from Midwest" - where did you get any of that?

I didn't say DH's opinion was definitive - just what his perception is as a graduate of what has been the #1 liberal arts college in the US multiple times over the last decade (maybe more). He has hired, or had people hire, a lot of people over the last two decades. While he knew about Carleton and Kenyon, Grinnell hadn't pierced his radar. FWIW, I had mentioned the various rankings of the schools in which DC is interested, so now DH is aware though doesn't seem to care as it is ultimately DC's choice. His college counselor thinks DC has a shot at both Grinnell and Kenyon, but we think he is going with the "elite liberal arts college rejects."

IDKYIRL, but the vibe here is neither compassionate nor kind.