Hayfield Investigation Report

[Anonymous]

Bumping this thread so it stays near the top of the FCPS forum. I'm sure Reid et al are hoping it just drops off everyone's radar. Don't let it. That report needs to be released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:City of Fairfax School Board just slammed Reid for her incompetence in not bringing the allegations relating to Fairfax HS to a conclusion.

It’s nice that a few officials call out Reid for her incompetence. God knows the likes of Sandy Anderson, Karl Frisch, and Robyn Lady never will.

link?

https://www.cityoffairfaxschools.org/apps/news/article/2165906?categoryId=15762

My favorite part is how the Fairfax story was insanely spun up.

Kid on JV moved to Fairfax zone, and family was friends with a coach. The coach loaned them some money for rent. The kid didn’t play much or at all.

Kid then goes to St James and tells coaches about the story who blow it the F up.

Explain how I got the above story wrong please lol. Violation? Sure. Same level as Hayfield almost tripling the number of homeless kids over two years at the school to play football? Hahaha. Ok.

I think the kid and his family had sour grapes about him being on JV and not playing much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

Former NCAA scholarship athlete here. I am sure you have a similar background. Virtuallty every scandal I came across as the fingerprints of an administration on it. Coaches get away with exactly what administrators let them. In Hayfield's case Overton did what the principal and the region superintendent wanted. I am sure with your experience in top level athletics would on reflection cause you to agree.

Not sure why the angst over Overton’s latest assignment. If you want to do what he does he is at the right place. He either succeeds or fails with that business model. From a typical DCUM parent’s perspective, the St James thing seems nuts. But DCUM is a narrow slice of the culture and not tied in with the people who consider St James.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

Former NCAA scholarship athlete here. I am sure you have a similar background. Virtuallty every scandal I came across as the fingerprints of an administration on it. Coaches get away with exactly what administrators let them. In Hayfield's case Overton did what the principal and the region superintendent wanted. I am sure with your experience in top level athletics would on reflection cause you to agree.

Not sure why the angst over Overton’s latest assignment. If you want to do what he does he is at the right place. He either succeeds or fails with that business model. From a typical DCUM parent’s perspective, the St James thing seems nuts. But DCUM is a narrow slice of the culture and not tied in with the people who consider St James.

Sorry, was this written with CHAT GPT? I couldn't make sense of any point you were trying to make.

Overton set out to cheat, got caught, and slunk off to work at a gym. Hopefully the stink of the scandal will keep him from any attempt at employment with real schools in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

Former NCAA scholarship athlete here. I am sure you have a similar background. Virtuallty every scandal I came across as the fingerprints of an administration on it. Coaches get away with exactly what administrators let them. In Hayfield's case Overton did what the principal and the region superintendent wanted. I am sure with your experience in top level athletics would on reflection cause you to agree.

Not sure why the angst over Overton’s latest assignment. If you want to do what he does he is at the right place. He either succeeds or fails with that business model. From a typical DCUM parent’s perspective, the St James thing seems nuts. But DCUM is a narrow slice of the culture and not tied in with the people who consider St James.

Sorry, was this written with CHAT GPT? I couldn't make sense of any point you were trying to make.

Overton set out to cheat, got caught, and slunk off to work at a gym. Hopefully the stink of the scandal will keep him from any attempt at employment with real schools in the future.

This, and the bigger issue is that FCPS covered for him and punished the people who spoke out.

[Anonymous]

FOIA the report. It’s the only way to know the truth.

[Anonymous]

This won’t die

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

Former NCAA scholarship athlete here. I am sure you have a similar background. Virtuallty every scandal I came across as the fingerprints of an administration on it. Coaches get away with exactly what administrators let them. In Hayfield's case Overton did what the principal and the region superintendent wanted. I am sure with your experience in top level athletics would on reflection cause you to agree.

Not sure why the angst over Overton’s latest assignment. If you want to do what he does he is at the right place. He either succeeds or fails with that business model. From a typical DCUM parent’s perspective, the St James thing seems nuts. But DCUM is a narrow slice of the culture and not tied in with the people who consider St James.

Overton was caught, and reprimanded, for cheating numerous times at Freedom. Was the Freedom principal and the Prince William County region superintendent in on that too?

The articles still exist. Just google "freedom football forfeits". You'll find multiple different news stories.

What is also interesting about those forfeits, is that they coincide with Overton having a better win/loss record. The initial seasons he was at Freedom (when they played with all Freedom kids), they were not good.

All of a sudden Freedom becomes good and coincidentally also starts having to forfeit wins for ineligible players.

Take any tenured coach with a winning record in FCPS, LCPS, or PWCS and give them Freedom or Hayfields roster and I bet you see the same (if not better) results than what Overton had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread so it stays near the top of the FCPS forum. I'm sure Reid et al are hoping it just drops off everyone's radar. Don't let it. That report needs to be released.

Why? Complaining here won't do anything. You are assuming education leaders live and die by this forum.

No legit organization is going to make decisions based on anonymous forums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping this thread so it stays near the top of the FCPS forum. I'm sure Reid et al are hoping it just drops off everyone's radar. Don't let it. That report needs to be released.

Why? Complaining here won't do anything. You are assuming education leaders live and die by this forum.

No legit organization is going to make decisions based on anonymous forums.

Plenty of us have complained elsewhere including to our School Board representatives. I don't assume anything except that FCPS has a good reason for wanting to keep everyone from seeing the report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This proposition appears doubtful. Overton acted in accordance with his school bosses’ desires. They wanted a top football team and he did as promised. Great players don’t grow on trees and he did what he had to to get them to Hayfield, even if it meant some kids were listed as homeless or living at Planet Fitness. And Overton went to a place where residency and associated rules don’t matter. If he doesn’t succeed in the marketplace at St James, well, he will have to deal with that reality. The culprits here are the FCPS administration who lost perspective in their quest to chase the community cultural god known as football.

oh pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee. OVERTON wanted to coach a top football team and trashed two high school programs on his way to work at a fancy Gold's Gym.

Former NCAA scholarship athlete here. I am sure you have a similar background. Virtuallty every scandal I came across as the fingerprints of an administration on it. Coaches get away with exactly what administrators let them. In Hayfield's case Overton did what the principal and the region superintendent wanted. I am sure with your experience in top level athletics would on reflection cause you to agree.

Not sure why the angst over Overton’s latest assignment. If you want to do what he does he is at the right place. He either succeeds or fails with that business model. From a typical DCUM parent’s perspective, the St James thing seems nuts. But DCUM is a narrow slice of the culture and not tied in with the people who consider St James.

Sorry, was this written with CHAT GPT? I couldn't make sense of any point you were trying to make.

Overton set out to cheat, got caught, and slunk off to work at a gym. Hopefully the stink of the scandal will keep him from any attempt at employment with real schools in the future.

Oh it makes sense son. Unlike most ex jocks, I have an education which would cause you to last two minutes in abt data driven debate. Address the issues of administrative responsibility- otherwise you betray a mediocre intellect.

[Anonymous]

FCPS cannot release the report because it would cause the public to push for Reed’s firing. The school board does not want Reid fired. Over the next few months you will see the slow walk out of several of the county level administrators who were responsible for this mess (Boyd, Thompson, etc). There will be little fanfare tied to it, and those leaving will claim they got a better job, but they’ve been told to leave. The county has instituted or soon will institute several policies that are in direct relation to this case. These will help fix the problems. Coaches are already calling these the Overton rules. In terms of Overton, he will never coach in Fairfax County again, nor will anyone that was associated with him. We won’t ever see the report because the county knows it screwed up. Hopefully they’ve learned their lesson.

[Anonymous]

Not defending Overton here, but this falls on administration-as the earlier poster said.

Sure, Overton likely knew he was cheating--but, the ends justified the means for him.

However, he could NOT have cheated without the approval or deliberate ignorance of the administration.

Overton did not register the kids in school--the school did that.
Overton does not check residency--the system is supposed to do that.

So, the kids may have been "homeless" but that was a pretty easy way to avoid scrutiny.

I am guessing that most of Hayfield administration--likely all of Hayfield administration--knew about this, and I was reading about this a very long time ago. Parents of kids who were on the team prior to Overton were posting here.

This was an egregious violation and Reid had to know.

[Anonymous]

I am utterly repulsed and appalled by FCPS blatantly covering up what happened at Hayfield to save themselves from scrutiny and preserve their oh so perfect image.

But they have the grotesque predilection of sweeping situations that would taint their image of innovation, splendor, and high quality education.

Lately I have found their actions to be quite frankly egregious, ludicrous, and incendiary (inciteful) as to the fact they so flagrantly are decisions that are harmful and detrimental to the district.

This cover up is their finest new atrocity to demonstrate the utter lack of competence and ethical practices, where we are all left in the shadows of the abyss.

They act like it is completely normal to bring in boys from other schools who quite frankly appear to be older and more tactful than the boys who actually serve the purpose of representing their schools and sports teams.

These boys usurped and accosted other boys from other schools, costing them their chance to win which was was despicable and malicious of Hayfield to do.

Fairfax high school appallingly made a similar decision to recruit boys from Prince William County to play for their team so they should secure more wins which I frankly find to be utterly shameful and disrespectful to the county.

These anarchistic coaches need to learn how to follow the rules, or they can leave.

I’m sick of all the rumors and nastiness about the teams, and quite frankly utterly hope that the situation is rectified swiftly and accordingly!