Changes in LACs

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Anonymous wrote:The Maine LACs are all on the rise - Colby, Bates, Bowdoin, Midd.

Also, Hamilton is becoming the new Amherst.

Midd is in Vermont and none of those schools are “rising” any different than years prior, other than maybe Colby.

Hamilton is completely different than Amherst and wants its future to be in tech and AI.

Also, can any of the NESCACs really be described as “on the rise?” Are any of them lacking in respect? Top to bottom, they are the standard on which all other SLACs are judged/compared. Obviously not saying those are the “best” schools, but people take shots at Amherst, Williams, Wes, Hamilton, Mid, Colby, etc. on this board for a reason. I don’t see many Bowdoin people, for example, puffing their chests about how they’re better than W&L.
-NESCAC alum, parent & spouse

What a bunch of New England garbage. NESCAC is the standard for mediocrity.

OK, thanks for your input Dennison mom.

Williams mom, but thanks for showing you can't handle an opinion that isn't your own.

Ha ha. OK, sis. Weird flex to say that the NESCACs are the standard for mediocrity and then proudly claim a kid at Williams, what plenty on this board would happily call the quintessential NESCAC. Seems like your convictions weren’t strong enough to insist your kid go to Carleton or Pomona. Or maybe you’re just s-posting and got lost.

Or maybe im smart enough to understand that there's a real delta between Williams and Connecticut college for Christ's sakes. Most of the Nescac is mediocre; there's the best of the best (Bowdoin, Amherst, Williams) and then there's the rest...It's a sports league, not all of us are obsessed.

There is a real delta between Conn College and everyone else but the idea that There are those three and everyone else is just stupid.

If you used test scores as an imperfect proxy here are 4 schools with peak academics there are 4 (5 with Tufts) schools with 'peak' academics which are the three that you named plus Middlebury. All have SAT averages of 1500+

There are 5 schools with scores 1400 - 1500 Hamilton, Wesleyan, Bates, Trinity, and probably Colby

And only one real outlier, Conn College which is still a fine school.

Hamilton is pretty equal too teh top schools academically and Wes and Colby are as well.

This “all 12 SLACs are equal poster” is a bit much. Make the same silly argument about national unis: all top 20 are equal to HYPSM? Occupy yourself in one of those threads; it requires the same, convoluted logic.

By that same logic, I hope you would be just as offended if someone suggested Duke or Northwestern or even Cornell were mediocre because they weren’t quite as bright and shiny as HYPSM. People on this board do love to shit on Cornell. It’s wild.

Thanks for the epiphany. I absolutely agree with this profundity: there is no difference between Cornell and HYPSM.

Are you doing a bit? Not saying Cornel is the same. Just suggesting it’s not a
mediocre school. You must be one of those people who loves the “which schools are elite” threads.

Sounds like you lack the self-awareness to recognize that when you say there is a “difference” (which there clearly is), some will always hear “mediocre” (which it clearly is not). But that’s a “you” issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading comprehension is nice attribute. Holy Cross isa powerhouse in corporate America not as much on Wall Street. HC grads on boards of Jet Blue, UHaul, CVS, Costco, Dicks, Home Depot, Burlington and multiple more.

Holy Cross is a fine school, but the stats of incoming students are not in the same league as most top-rated LACs. It competes for students with schools like Fairfield and Villanova, not Williams and Amherst.

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Anonymous wrote:Midd boosters are very defensive but can not explain away current problems at the school. Hiring a new President is a start. As others have pointed out Midd has dropped to tie for 19th in US News, application decline and budget deficit not signs of a hot school like Duke or Vandy. More comparable to fine school like Colgate.

It’ you again pretending to be someone else because you’re not getting traction as usual. Someone at 10:08 put a fork in your finances claim so you need to pivot. Others haven’t pointed anything out about app drops because they are tiny and still up massively over the last 5 years. The budget deficit is tiny relative to the endowment and could be closed by simply reducing international financial aid to the same level as Williams. You’ll try over enrollment next but people in previous posts have shown the numbers that it happened all in one year and they are now graduated. You’ll then move on to “they are adding people to cover the deficit but the reality is that their new dorm is 50 beds bigger than the one it replaced and they have been very open about adding 50-75 additional students because they have now have the room and this number is nor larger than typical because with more kids going abroad each year the on campus population will remain stable.

Keep on trying little tool.

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^Nice try but everyone knows Holy Cross is consistently one of the top 3 Catholic schools. Its peer schools are Colgate, Bucknell, ND, and Gtown. Villanova, BC , Santa Clara and Fairfield are newcomers all former regional commuter schools. HC has alumni success stories that do rival Williams and surpass
Most NESCAC schools. HC grads include Dr Fauci, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts wife, 2 US Senators and countless CEO,s. Facts matter

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Anonymous wrote:^Nice try but everyone knows Holy Cross is consistently one of the top 3 Catholic schools. Its peer schools are Colgate, Bucknell, ND, and Gtown. Villanova, BC , Santa Clara and Fairfield are newcomers all former regional commuter schools. HC has alumni success stories that do rival Williams and surpass
Most NESCAC schools. HC grads include Dr Fauci, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts wife, 2 US Senators and countless CEO,s. Facts matter

I’m sorry but please educate yourself: Williams has more than 1000+ notable alumni. Williams has graduated alone over 19 US senators. They don’t have to stoop down to “Supreme Court justice’s wife”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Williams_College_people

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Anonymous wrote:The best LAC’S for successful outcomes are Williams, Amherst; Williams and Colgate are Wall Street feeders. Davidson is a regional play from Richmond to Atlanta.

Fixed your broken comment that was completely wrong.

Best outcomes are Williams, Amherst, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna (which has an accounting program btw), and Wellesley.

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Anonymous wrote:No interest in any NESCAC school but imo Middlebury is in a decline from top 10 US News to current tie for 19. Add in application declines and financial deficits what else would one describe Middds current status. Lots of Middlebury grads and or parents are in denial. Amherst and Williams are so far above the rest of the pack. Bowdoin has some appeal but 90-95 k a year for the rest no thanks .

Midd hater has entered the chat. It’s so crazy to me that seemingly so many folks want to drop in on threads about liberal arts colleges to either argue that they are all inferior to universities or to assert that only four are worth attending. If you’re telling me people think Wesleyan, Hamilton, and Middlebury are shit, god help Oberlin.

They made a reasonable argument. It's only LAC parents who act like all the schools are the exact same. It'd be like someone claiming Ohio State is the same as Harvard. It's okay that schools are different and some get worse over time. Middlebury does have financial issues, you can read about it from their strategic planning, student journalism, or on this forum.

They didn't make a reasonable argument because it is just a constant flow of nonsense. They have posted this junk many times before and some people have been pretty direct in batting them around and proving them foolish at pretty much every turn.

Middlebury has a small but nagging deficit because of MIIS. It has no material effect on the finances of a school with a $1.6B endowment and an pristine balance sheet other than being a bit embarrassing. The incoming President has stated that he will address it within the year.

Oh really?

The college announced a series of cost-saving measures on Wednesday, April 2 that aim to cut over $10 million from the annual budget through reducing staff and faculty benefits and permanently raising the student enrollment projection to 2,600–2,650. The college attributed the changes to 15 years of consistent deficits, culminating in the unexpectedly high $14.1 million shortfall this fiscal year, a large portion of which is due to lower enrollment at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey (MIIS).

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Anonymous wrote:The best LAC’S for successful outcomes are Williams, Amherst; Williams and Colgate are Wall Street feeders. Davidson is a regional play from Richmond to Atlanta.

Fixed your broken comment that was completely wrong.

Best outcomes are Williams, Amherst, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna (which has an accounting program btw), and Wellesley.

Again, best outcomes for what?

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Anonymous wrote:The best LAC’S for successful outcomes are Williams, Amherst; Williams and Colgate are Wall Street feeders. Davidson is a regional play from Richmond to Atlanta.

Fixed your broken comment that was completely wrong.

Best outcomes are Williams, Amherst, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna (which has an accounting program btw), and Wellesley.

Again, best outcomes for what?

Overall. Those students earn the most. It’s a mix of best outcomes for finance and economics and STEM. If you’re interested in grad school, I wouldn’t keep any of these other than Harvey mudd for the list.

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Anonymous wrote:^Nice try but everyone knows Holy Cross is consistently one of the top 3 Catholic schools. Its peer schools are Colgate, Bucknell, ND, and Gtown. Villanova, BC , Santa Clara and Fairfield are newcomers all former regional commuter schools. HC has alumni success stories that do rival Williams and surpass
Most NESCAC schools. HC grads include Dr Fauci, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts wife, 2 US Senators and countless CEO,s. Facts matter

Yes. The top kids applying to ND and Georegtown need safety schools, and Holy Cross is a decent option for them in this respect. I’ll give you Bucknell as a peer.

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Anonymous wrote:The best LAC’S for successful outcomes are Williams, Amherst; Williams and Colgate are Wall Street feeders. Davidson is a regional play from Richmond to Atlanta.

Fixed your broken comment that was completely wrong.

Best outcomes are Williams, Amherst, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna (which has an accounting program btw), and Wellesley.

Again, best outcomes for what?

Overall. Those students earn the most. It’s a mix of best outcomes for finance and economics and STEM. If you’re interested in grad school, I wouldn’t keep any of these other than Harvey mudd for the list.

Ahh. So the only way to measure outcomes is how much money you make. Got it. Screw all those public servants and teachers and folks running non-profits.

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Fortunately not an alum of a liberal arts school, not for me. Reasons most are tiny, no big time sports and a lot are in the middle of nowhere. However I do know grads from most of them. My 2 cents- Williams people are the big fish in a very small pond. Grads from
Bates, Wesleyan, and Tufts are too liberal and not business centric. The friends from Holy Cross and Colgate are more well rounded and approciable and successful without the better than everyone else attitude. Kenyon and Denison grads are normal and liked the Midwest. Bowdoin, Colby, and Middlebury mostly wasps types born on third base.

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Anonymous wrote:The best LAC’S for successful outcomes are Williams, Amherst; Williams and Colgate are Wall Street feeders. Davidson is a regional play from Richmond to Atlanta.

Fixed your broken comment that was completely wrong.

Best outcomes are Williams, Amherst, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna (which has an accounting program btw), and Wellesley.

Again, best outcomes for what?

Overall. Those students earn the most. It’s a mix of best outcomes for finance and economics and STEM. If you’re interested in grad school, I wouldn’t keep any of these other than Harvey mudd for the list.

Ahh. So the only way to measure outcomes is how much money you make. Got it. Screw all those public servants and teachers and folks running non-profits.

If you’re interested in being a public servant or running a non profit, Williams, CMC, Amherst, and Wellesley are also amazing options, though. It’s not screwing over anyone- these schools are pretty good across the aboard. Kind of the point of…a liberal arts college.

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately not an alum of a liberal arts school, not for me. Reasons most are tiny, no big time sports and a lot are in the middle of nowhere. However I do know grads from most of them. My 2 cents- Williams people are the big fish in a very small pond. Grads from
Bates, Wesleyan, and Tufts are too liberal and not business centric. The friends from Holy Cross and Colgate are more well rounded and approciable and successful without the better than everyone else attitude. Kenyon and Denison grads are normal and liked the Midwest. Bowdoin, Colby, and Middlebury mostly wasps types born on third base.

Please stop typing nonsense into LAC threads and just go back to talking about UVA or Georgia tech or whatever interests you people.

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately not an alum of a liberal arts school, not for me. Reasons most are tiny, no big time sports and a lot are in the middle of nowhere. However I do know grads from most of them. My 2 cents- Williams people are the big fish in a very small pond. Grads from
Bates, Wesleyan, and Tufts are too liberal and not business centric. The friends from Holy Cross and Colgate are more well rounded and approciable and successful without the better than everyone else attitude. Kenyon and Denison grads are normal and liked the Midwest. Bowdoin, Colby, and Middlebury mostly wasps types born on third base.

Oh, hello again Holy Cross booster. Any other spouses of successful people you’d like to highlight as HC grads? Laughable.