How will the “big bill” affect you?

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Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.

Feel free to send a check to Uncle Sam to assuage your guilt. It's an unconditional gift.

There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:


At Pay.gov, you can contribute online by credit card, debit card, PayPal, checking account, or savings account.
You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, and, in the memo section, notate that it's a gift to reduce the debt held by the public. Mail your check to:
Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Fiscal Service
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188

Why on earth would they want to send money to the US Government? You think your sarcasm is cute, but you are disgusting. People with $$ hopefully will be giving some to their community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought the Medicaid work requirements only applied to the expansion population and not across the board. Is that not correct?

Not correct. Applies across the board.

[Anonymous]

We should benefit from the SALT increase but overall we have less money because of this administration (due to our jobs being affected).

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The estate tax extension is a huge benefit for us except for how it’s bad for the country we live in and everything.

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I’m guessing my state taxes are going up a lot to pay for all the benefits the feds are now skipping out on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A nice tax cut, on the backs of people losing Medicaid. Very Republican, almost cartoonishly so.

How can you say that? I mean, the backs of the poor people are just window dressing for crushing debt.

[Anonymous]

Seems like most people will be benefiting from this bill, which is why it passed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

+1. The bill allows people to give more money to the organizations that are actually doing good, rather than sending it to government that will only waste it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.

This. The last go-round, our taxes went down even with the SALT cap because of the rate cuts. Now, the rate cuts stay, and the SALT cap is dramatically increased.

We have an HHI of ~$500k. We definitely don't need the bump. And way too many will suffer because of it. It's reprehensible.

I think the salt deduction starts to fade out at 500,000 for married filing joint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

The government does a fine job if not a perfect job. There is always room for improvement, but there will be no improvement the more it is defunded. So it is a self-fulfulling prophecy.

The patchwork of charities and nonprofits that fills the gaps (or tries to) will never have the same impact.

I get that it is ideological to them, but vulnerable people need and want help. They aren't there to make people feel good and virtuous for 'helping' them. I think about the woman in my community who runs a small charity that supports families with kids with cancer. She is constantly posting pics of herself visiting them in the hospital and asking for money for the org. I mean that is great and all but then she turns around and supports Republican policies. To my mind she cares about the personal fulfillment of her actions than actual effective policy.

That’s your mind, just judging a woman. That doesn’t mean what you’re thinking is right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

The government does a fine job if not a perfect job. There is always room for improvement, but there will be no improvement the more it is defunded. So it is a self-fulfulling prophecy.

The patchwork of charities and nonprofits that fills the gaps (or tries to) will never have the same impact.

I get that it is ideological to them, but vulnerable people need and want help. They aren't there to make people feel good and virtuous for 'helping' them. I think about the woman in my community who runs a small charity that supports families with kids with cancer. She is constantly posting pics of herself visiting them in the hospital and asking for money for the org. I mean that is great and all but then she turns around and supports Republican policies. To my mind she cares about the personal fulfillment of her actions than actual effective policy.

I’m the PP and these are my neighbors and I agree with you. But they aren’t cruel or ghouls and they put a lot of time, money and effort into helping people with no corresponding social media posting. It weirds me out but they say that’s God’s plan.

As they work closely with disadvantaged communities, I doubt they completely agree with the changes.

NP. You may want to believe these folks are not ghouls, but at the very best they are deeply deeply incurious and are about to FAFO. Very few functioning and efficient charitable organizations operate entirely free of federal money. The vast majority either receive federal grants, or (more commonly) receive state or municipal grants that flow down from federal funding. It's all well and good to serve soup once a week, or sort clothing donations, or even show up once a month to provide clinic services, but the entire infrastructure holding up the sector is about to disintegrate. You can't actually do clinic hours if the clinic closes.

This BBB delivers a massive tax cut to the wealthiest Americans, but there is zero evidence that this tax cut will increase charitable donations.

[Anonymous]

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A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

[Anonymous]

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A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.

It was a question, and a valid one because it goes to the heart of the issues being debated. This bill is making it harder for all kinds of people to obtain healthcare, and it was created and passed by people who are supposedly representing the American people. So what values do we have as a society? Who do we think deserves healthcare access? If we disagree with what our representatives are doing, what are we doing about it? Are people in fact disagreeing with what’s going on?

+1. I’m not sure what this country values anymore. You’d think Americans would want to save someone who needs 8 specialists to stay alive, but do they? This bill would seem to indicate that they don’t?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

+1. The bill allows people to give more money to the organizations that are actually doing good, rather than sending it to government that will only waste it.

Right. Will the billionaires now contribute their entire tax savings to charity? lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.

False. Hospital emergency rooms cannot refuse emergency care, by law. No other health provider is required to provide any type of care to anyone.

I just found out that almost all the doctors in my area don’t accept Medicare. I had no idea that even happened.